Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[North by Northwest]

Well I couldn't sleep so I got up early this morning and thought I'd post a couple pics of some severely worn chains. Worn to the point of becoming dangerous. In fact, one of them parted on me the other day while making a face cut!

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Now I haven't parted many chain's! Only two that I can remember, maybe three. This one parted at the splice. Possibly due to too much pressure to fast when I spun it, but Im not sure. Im thinking it's more likely due to the insane torque and horsepower my Modified 661 makes!!! Anyways, on a more serious note. If you look closely. You can see the thinning of the drive links. This is 3/8 .50g, I typically always run .63g but with the shortage of light weight bars right now. All I could find at the time in 32" was Stihl LW bars in .50g so I took what I could get. Begger's can't be choosers! However, as you can clearly see. The drive link isn't what parted. The side strap did. Witch would also be the same thickness on a 3/8 .63g chain.

This is a different chain that hasn't parted "YET", and it won't because I've chosen to stop running it before it dose part! View attachment 1015952View attachment 1015953
If you look closely at the drivers and straps on this chian. You'll see a tremendous amount of ware compared to a new chain.
Just something to be aware of.

Also, the bar is Stihl in great shape. Witch tells me its getting plenty of oil, and it should be because I've got the oiler cranked all the way open!

And yes, I know the gullets need removing. I've already removed them twice on both chains! I will take them out again if and before fir some reason. I end up using these chains as back ups.
"If" I run out of good chain, and can't get another spool. Hopefully That won't happen!

Cut safe, stay sharp, and be aware!

Get the Gullet !

 

[North by Northwest]

Well Sir. IMOP a square tuned chain. Cutts faster, smoother and stays sharper longer than a round tuned chain. However, if you're running a full compliment round chain vs. a full skip square chain. The full comp round will probably cut smoother. As far as faster and sharper longer? I wouldn't know. I've never done that test. Also, most all my experience is in conifer. Things may be different in hard woods. Chipper1(Brett), Logger Nate, Sierra Rider, MustangMike, SeanDenato, Squareground and quite a few others on this thread can tell you much about saw chain. They are all very knowledgeable Sawyers! In fact, I think there's even a thread on this Forum that focuses on saw chains and all the different tuning methods and reasoning behind them. If there isn't? There should be! Round and Square tunes both have their advantages and disadvantages IMOP bud!

Cut safe, stay sharp, and be aware!

I run full house full chisel in softwood square & round filed & semi skip chisel square filed in hardwoods especially in gnarly barked species , due to debris resistance & faster cutting rate . Have two dedicated pedestal grinders to expedite the process , although on occasion still goofy han. square file in the field out of necessity . My .404 is better on the grinder on my ripping chain , saves the forearms brother !

 

[pdqdl]

How do you know?



Just here on A.S. there is a gun forum, hunting threads, a car forum, and the notorious ‘P&R’ forum (which could actually be interesting, if it didn’t typically degenerate into name calling within the first 5 posts).

Some of that stuff I find interesting, but I can go to those forums / threads for that. When every thread becomes an off-topic, random mess, people can’t find stuff, and good information gets buried.

I have to skip many pages, due to extraneous stuff, and may have missed a lot. Thought about leaving the thread several times, but won’t get that firewood stuff in the other threads. Especially, the name calling threads.

Philbert

Name calling in P&R has just about been cleaned out. New management, new moderated forum. The unmoderated forum is pretty much a thing of the past.

ANY name calling in any forum should be reported.

 

[North by Northwest]

I use both bar sizes on my saws, but the reality is the 28" bar is really only a 27" bar, so you are only getting about 3" more, but on larger wood it does make a difference. Renaming the 24" bars 25" bars is just "wrong".4

I run either 20" versa cut or 28" versa cut on all my saws with Oregon EXL. Previously ran Stihl RS primarily until 3 yrs ago . Oregon , also on the Milling application !

 

[Bill G]

Sounds good and I thank you! As long as we are both on this forum. We should have no problem keeping in touch bud!

I am dead serious on the offer. I will not in anyway tell you I can put you in trophy buck area as we seem to have too many folks who harvest young bucks. I will tell you only my sons and two neighbors will be allowed to harvest deer here this year, If my brother would grow a set of you know what the same would could be said of our family farm that we have had since the civil war. The fact is my two neighbors will end up hunting their own ground and my sons will be too busy to hunt so this year. The deer will be able to escape and grow here. There will be little to zero pressure here

 

[North by Northwest]

Never heard it called square tuned, just square ground or filed. I tune or dial a chain in for whatever species or job I'm doing as well as the saw I'm running and if the wood is frozen or not(just a few examples), so when I speak of a well tuned chain it has nothing to do with the type of cutter or file I'm using.
I like square a lot because of how smooth it cuts, because it cuts so smooth I can control the cut better and avoid hitting things I don't want to hit such as the ground or a nail, which keeps it sharper longer. I spend more time filing or grinding a square chain though, so the speed isn't a large enough gain to use square on everything. Also the cost of files has gone thru the roof(but everything else has too ), glad I have a grinder, but I'm not wanting to remove the chain just to touch it up every time it needs it.
With the newer chains that are out, I find that they are just as fast as a good solid square work grind, and that's right out of the box(in hardwood anyway). Give a new husky x-cut chain a try, you may be surprised.
I do see that you sharpen more aggressively(the sideplate angle, which shows how aggressive the underside of the top plate is)than I do for hardwood chain, that chain wouldn't hold an edge as long as a round ground/ filed, but I'm sure it works great in softwoods and self feeds nicely.
As for your broken chain, I don't think it looks any more worn than chains I've had and I don't break them, well not like that just the cutters start flying off lol. When chains typically break its because people run a worn drive sprocket or spur with a new chain which puts a lot of force on the chain as it's rotating around the sprocket or spur. Usually that's seen in the wear on the driver's and I don't see that on yours, probably operator error . At least it didn't happen when making a back cut on a sketchy snag .
Here's one I did a while ago, we were talking about how you can't take them back to the witness marks(well others were anyway), so I went past them quite a bit.

I have cut a lot of cedar with that race profile tooth chain at hunting camp Brett !

 

[North by Northwest]

For those that paid attention... notice how it cut straight with different and missing cutters? Looked like it cut decently fast and it self fed too.....

proper raker prep keeps it straight brother !

 

[North by Northwest]

Never heard it called square tuned, just square ground or filed. I tune or dial a chain in for whatever species or job I'm doing as well as the saw I'm running and if the wood is frozen or not(just a few examples), so when I speak of a well tuned chain it has nothing to do with the type of cutter or file I'm using.
I like square a lot because of how smooth it cuts, because it cuts so smooth I can control the cut better and avoid hitting things I don't want to hit such as the ground or a nail, which keeps it sharper longer. I spend more time filing or grinding a square chain though, so the speed isn't a large enough gain to use square on everything. Also the cost of files has gone thru the roof(but everything else has too ), glad I have a grinder, but I'm not wanting to remove the chain just to touch it up every time it needs it.
With the newer chains that are out, I find that they are just as fast as a good solid square work grind, and that's right out of the box(in hardwood anyway). Give a new husky x-cut chain a try, you may be surprised.
I do see that you sharpen more aggressively(the sideplate angle, which shows how aggressive the underside of the top plate is)than I do for hardwood chain, that chain wouldn't hold an edge as long as a round ground/ filed, but I'm sure it works great in softwoods and self feeds nicely.
As for your broken chain, I don't think it looks any more worn than chains I've had and I don't break them, well not like that just the cutters start flying off lol. When chains typically break its because people run a worn drive sprocket or spur with a new chain which puts a lot of force on the chain as it's rotating around the sprocket or spur. Usually that's seen in the wear on the driver's and I don't see that on yours, probably operator error . At least it didn't happen when making a back cut on a sketchy snag .
Here's one I did a while ago, we were talking about how you can't take them back to the witness marks(well others were anyway), so I went past them quite a bit.

Looks good brother , yeah know your bars upside down eh !

 

[pdqdl]

Witch one's are the name calling threads? Deal me in! I love a good debate, and really know how to get under ones skin if I feel they need it! Especially when discussing firearms, hunting, or ballistics! Plus, I have thick skin myself! So I think I could have a good future, go places and make it far on those threads! Name calling and temper loss can be quality internet entertainment that wa to many people take way too serious!

IMOP, Talk is cheap Gentleman! No cents getting riled up over it! That is one thing we should all agree on!...

LOTS o' conflict in this thread: https://www.arboristsite.com/threads/fbi-raids-trumps-mar-a-lago.361975/

You'll need to become a subscribing member, however, to get in and post. You might be able to read posts there; I don't know.

You may meet your match, however, when it comes to getting under folks' skin. We have some real pro's at that down in P&R. They would like some new talent to chew upon.

 

[Sierra_rider]

IMOP! Pro Safety's OG five points are the dawgs to have for dawg'n in to any wood 42" on up! However, they are a nightmare in small wood. Way to much leverage! Gotta really finesse it in your bottom face cut on a Humboldt, top face cut on a Conventional or the clutch will load up on ya like it would with a chain thats way too hungry. They're call Old Growth Dawgs for a reason! View attachment 1016939

I'm running the 5-point pro-safeties on my 066...I was running 4-point (I think OEM) dogs on the 066, but one of my freebie 044s came with the 5-points on it, so I did a swaparoo.

Before:


After:

The Pro-Safeties on the 400:

I even like the stock dogs coming on the 462/500i...I already had the 3-points on another saw, so they got swapped. I'm still running the stock dogs on my 462 "work" saw:

 

[Sierra_rider]

Since I know @Kodiak Kid is an aficionado of 1122 series Stihls, I just finished building an 064 for someone. New oem top end, ported and machined by yours truly. Exhaust mods, had to cut a new keyway into the flywheel, had to machine a spacer for an 066 brake flag...way more went into it than I originally planned on doing, started as a box of parts:

She's loud lol:

 

[North by Northwest]

Back in 2002 - 2004 I sold quite a few of the Savage Police Sniper Rifle packages to gun dealers. I was a sales rep for a gun wholesaler in Mass. They really liked those sniper rifles in .308.

.308 is a world class round , in many ways !

 

[North by Northwest]

That is one beautiful pickup! Good on ya! 78 or 79? My favorite pickup of all time!!!

The head lites gives it away !

 

[North by Northwest]

Yeah after hearing Nate's thoughts and all you other guys that have one. Im chomping at the bit to run one! My cutting Partner said He's going to order one. His primary and two backups are all three worn out and tired. Any day now he'll have to buy one. That will be my chance to get a hold of
it and get my throttle on before I make a decision on buying one. My pro modified 661 has a serious set of stones! If a stock 500 is close to hang'n with it. I'll be sold!

Is Nate still on AS ?

 

[djg james]

Yikes! I was going through my local CL ads and saw a guy selling two Stihl 661s for $250 each. Can this be real? What would it cost say for a new piston/rings? It was probably used by a tree company and run hard. Just wondering if it would be a waste of $. Place is 60 miles away so I'd rather not waste drive time if it's probably junk. Anyone ever sell a saw this cheap?

 

[WoodAbuser]

Yikes! I was going through my local CL ads and saw a guy selling two Stihl 661s for $250 each. Can this be real? What would it cost say for a new piston/rings? It was probably used by a tree company and run hard. Just wondering if it would be a waste of $. Place is 60 miles away so I'd rather not waste drive time if it's probably junk. Anyone ever sell a saw this cheap?

It does sound too good to be true.

 

[chipper1]

I have cut a lot of cedar with that race profile tooth chain at hunting camp Brett !

Gotta do what you gotta do.
Going to where I'm working at right now I pass a huge cedar(at least for what I normally see) , probably 32"+, I'll try to get a picture. There's also a large white pine not far from it, it had some vines on it, may be poison ivy .

 

[svk]

When I play cleanup, I get all of the political posts, not just the reported post, I follow them all back to the origin, and get any that were out of line. If you argue with a political post, agree with it, or even quote it, when I get my broom out, they all get swept from the thread.

I've even been scolded recently for taking one too many, hence my invitation to you guys to discontinue the political comments.

That’s totally cool, no gripes from me.

One time when I was a mod I was cleaning up a big mess in F/L and of course had to remove a bunch of posts that had quoted some inappropriate stuff. Received some nasty messages asking me why I removed their post when they “didn’t do anything wrong”. Hello….your post includes quotes that are in CLEAR violation of the rules.

A few of folks over there don’t like me very much because I dealt with their ringleader’s bullying. Oh darn.

 

[Be Stihl]

That's not a bad price at all. I've found that prices can vary greatly depending on what dealer you're at. I got my 462 when they were still pretty new to the market for a grand from my dealer. Other places were charging 1,300 or so for the same model. And ironically, like you mentioned his Stihl dealer is also a John Deere dealer, the place I got what I thought was a good deal on my 462 is also a Case tractor dealer.

I'd really like to give their fuel injected saw a shot, and may if the prices come down a bit, or I can find one for what your neighbor paid.

Dealer does matter, I just bought a 400 for $959, down the road it was $1029. I asked if they could price match but no luck. So I went back to the cheaper place and bought it before the price raised.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I have to skip many pages, due to extraneous stuff, and may have missed a lot. Thought about leaving the thread several times, but won’t get that firewood stuff in the other threads. Especially, the name calling threads.

So, I'm confused here... Are you saying that YOU aren't happy with the thread drift, so EVERYONE else should conform to what YOU like? Instead of you just leaving, or skipping a post here and there?

It didn't take me too long to see who the ******** are here, I just don't read "their" post, instead of complaining about those post. lol AND if someone doesn't like my post, they are welcome to skip those too!

SR