Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[The Shooters Apprentice]

We are definitely on topic! Tuning a saw chain has everything to do with scrounging fire wood. If it doesn't? It frick'n should!

Well, in that case, so does bear protection lol.

Here are some photos from last time I did play with square filing. I learned in a hurry you can't have the rakers as low as you can with round filing

 

[pdqdl]

You’re going down a dangerous slope if you’re going to start editing and moderating only some off-topic posts in this thread… JMHO

No doubt about that. Let's just keep the dead critters off this thread, ok?

@pdqdl Please don’t bother moving any more of my posts over to the new thread. Just delete them if they’re a problem. Thank you.

Done. In fact, I'm restoring as much as I can. Pissing off a few folks isn't as bad as doing it to everyone.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Well, in that case, so does bear protection lol.

Here are some photos from last time I did play with square filing. I learned in a hurry you can't have the rakers as low as you can with round filing

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Ok im going to critique your square hand tuning, and please don't take offense. This is simply just "my opinion"

You have way way to much beek in your side plate and your rakers are extremely low and flat. Not at the proper angle they should be. It almost looks as if you took a very agressive or large bastard file or maybe even a small grinder to them! A small flat raker file is all that is needed. Im guessing that chain is very hungry and grabs hold to a stop and/or chatters a lot?

Your top and side plates need to meet at the very outside corner of the cutter to stay sharp the longest and cut the smoothest.

 

[Squareground3691]

Looks pretty good IMOP, but I see a bit of a beek in your side plate! Just saying.

Do you beek the side plate of every cutter on both sides of the chain with the same uniform consistency? How about top plate angles? How does you hand tune compare to you grind in the wood?

Looks pretty good IMOP, but I see a bit of a beek in your side plate! Just saying.

Do you beek the side plate of every cutter on both sides of the chain with the same uniform consistency? How about top plate angles? How does you hand tune compare to you grind in the wood?

Yea just try to stay consistent with each tooth, obvious the grinder gonna be more accurate in all aspects, but I try to be diligent as possible with angles and uniformity when hand filing always fun trying new techniques to make a better cutter .

 

[MustangMike]

Enough, Enough, Enough!

If all the off-topic stuff was deleted from this thread, you would lose half the posters and 3/4 of the posts.

You moved my post that was a joke about bear scat, there were no pics of dead animals (or dead hikers), so WHY!!!

The vast majority of folks on this thread are good with the variety of topics (and actually like it that way), so:

1) Why don't you just re-name the thread (Scrounging Firewood and other stuff),

2) Or relocate those who object to a crying towel thread.

I want to see the results of what folk's harvest on this thread, and the vast majority of posters here would agree with that, so let's stop the political nonsense and move on. This is getting absurd.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Enough, Enough, Enough!

If all the off-topic stuff was deleted from this thread, you would lose half the posters and 3/4 of the posts.

You moved my post that was a joke about bear scat, there were no pics of dead animals (or dead hikers), so WHY!!!

The vast majority of folks on this thread are good with the variety of topics (and actually like it that way), so:

1) Why don't you just re-name the thread (Scrounging Firewood and other stuff),

2) Or relocate those who object to a crying towel thread.

I want to see the results of what folk's harvest on this thread, and the vast majority of posters here would agree with that, so let's stop the political nonsense and move on. This is getting absurd.

Agreed!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Yea just try to stay consistent with each tooth, obvious the grinder gonna be more accurate in all aspects, but I try to be diligent as possible with angles and uniformity when hand filing always fun trying new techniques to make a better cutter .

I definitely get that!

 

[MustangMike]

IMO, square filing is not that difficult, but folks that are not a little ambidextrous may have their problems, as I do the cutters on one side right-handed and the other side left-handed.

Try to get your angles right, always make sure the corner of the file is in the corner of the tooth and try to stroke straight.

I do one side of the chain, then flip the saw 180* and do the other side.

After a while, your file will just fit to your chain like a hand in a glove.

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

IMO, square filing is not that difficult, but folks that are not a little ambidextrous may have their problems, as I do the cutters on one side right-handed and the other side left-handed.

Try to get your angles right, always make sure the corner of the file is in the corner of the tooth and try to stroke straight.

I do one side of the chain, then flip the saw 180* and do the other side.

After a while, your file will just fit to your chain like a hand in a glove.

This is the same way that I round file, so it’s more of a issue of sitting down and practicing. Figured I just need to file a chain and wear it out till I get it right

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I've seen some fallers square file darn near as good and uniform as a square grinder! Obviously not as exactly uniform as grinder but close. Their chains also stayed sharp just as long and cut just as fast as if ground. They would square file the entire chain and never used a grinder. I'm not at that level of square filing. Not yet anyways!

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

I've seen some fallers square file darn near as good and uniform as a square grinder! Obviously not as exactly uniform as grinder but close. Their chains also stayed sharp just as long and cut just as fast as if ground. They would square file the entire chain and never used a grinder. I'm not at that level of square filing. Not yet anyways!

It’s funny how with square filing the general consensus is that the grinder is better, but with round filing the opposite seems to be the normal view.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

IMO, square filing is not that difficult, but folks that are not a little ambidextrous may have their problems, as I do the cutters on one side right-handed and the other side left-handed.

Try to get your angles right, always make sure the corner of the file is in the corner of the tooth and try to stroke straight.

I do one side of the chain, then flip the saw 180* and do the other side.

After a while, your file will just fit to your chain like a hand in a glove.

I can only square file with my right hand. I can't do it with both hands! Im not that ambidextrous. Wish I could! I can round file with either hand, but that ain't saying much!

 

[Brufab]

In a thread with almost 80k post, I’m sure it’s wondered from the main topic many times in the last 8 years.

No doubt this thread wanders with the seasons, now that it's hunting season there will be plenty of guns and hunting along with the firewood. No complaints here as it's all enjoyable to me.

 

[Squareground3691]

Looks pretty good IMOP, but I see a bit of a beek in your side plate! Just saying.

Do you beek the side plate of every cutter on both sides of the chain with the same uniform consistency? How about top plate angles? How does you hand tune compare to you grind in the wood?

Do you take the gullet out of square ground chain or leave it in , many have different opinions on the subject

 

[Brufab]

It’s actually not as hard as people make it out to be some practice and angle consistency you’ll get there. Hand job lol

Looks like how my round filed chains turn out
I'm pretty new to filing and getting better each time.

 

[Squareground3691]

I can only square file with my right hand. I can't do it with both hands! Im not that ambidextrous. Wish I could! I can round file with either hand, but that ain't saying much!

Yea square filing with both hands is a tough task for sure , My favorite files are Vallorbe square or round

 

[Kodiak Kid]

It’s funny how with square filing the general consensus is that the grinder is better, but with round filing the opposite seems to be the normal view.

I agree! I can definitely tune a round chain with a file much better than any round grinder I've ever used. However, why would I use a round grinder when I have a square grinder?

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Do you take the gullet out of square ground chain or leave it in , many have different opinions on the subject

Yes most definitely! As much as I can. Sometimes I'll let one go a bit to long before removing the gullets but I try not to. A shallow gullet will slow your cut regardless how sharp the cutters are. Shallow gullet's catch kerf waste big time! I don't care what anyone says! Its been proven!

Yea square filing with both hands is a tough task for sure , My favorite files are Vallorbe square or round

Oberg made great square files, but they are out if business!

 

[Brufab]

Well I’m four years ahead at my cabin and a year ahead at my house. I really don’t plan to pick up a chainsaw except for incidental storm clean up between now and the time that they log behind my cabin next year. I guess I don’t have much to contribute to the next 10 months then.

I like your posts! Some clip art firewood will do just fine Sometimes hard to find the guys in threads, basically scrounging and good morning are my fav threads, made some good real life friends out of the deal and quite a few 'face cords' of knowledge, had to add the face cord to stay on topic

 

[pdqdl]

Enough, Enough, Enough!
If all the off-topic stuff was deleted from this thread, you would lose half the posters and 3/4 of the posts.
You moved my post that was a joke about bear scat, there were no pics of dead animals (or dead hikers), so WHY!!!
The vast majority of folks on this thread are good with the variety of topics (and actually like it that way), so:
1) Why don't you just re-name the thread (Scrounging Firewood and other stuff),
2) Or relocate those who object to a crying towel thread.

I want to see the results of what folk's harvest on this thread, and the vast majority of posters here would agree with that, so let's stop the political nonsense and move on. This is getting absurd.

Hey! Nobody's perfect. It's not like I come here looking for trouble. I was responding to a plethora of reports.
I've been busy fixing my mistakes, your stuff has been left alone. It's not always easy to handle these reports, but I try to listen to the membership.

Consider the name change done! That will settle a lot of future problems. If you guys don't like it, you can blame MMike.

(With respect to your bear-scat post, when I delete an offensive post, I generally delete all references to it. In your particular case, I had a report on that particular post. So I had reasons, just not perhaps good enough to survive a good reconsideration of the action taken.)