Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[dancan]

Benp , stock , standard load atv tires , no blowout or pop off the rim issues yet .
I had never set or even checked the pressure in them from day one , I figure they were around 5lbs each .
I had been meaning to air them up since I built it , yesterday was the first day I brought the pump lol
I'll put up some pics of the build tonight .

 

[svk]

Driving through northern Tennessee and Kentucky this morning. So many oaks!!!

 

[tpence2177]

Besides like 10-15 pines that's pretty much what my land is lol. I do want to find a ginkgo tree to plant in the front yard though

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[MustangMike]

Re: Oil ratios - Do not forget the recommended ratios are influenced by the EPA, not just what is "good for your saw", and (unfortunately) they have no common sense. If they can reduce emissions, even if it will kill your saw in 5 years, they will do it!

For example, the EPA restricts emissions based on the SIZE of the saw, even if meeting those emission targets kills performance (performance is not a consideration). So, if you reduce performance by 50% to get a 5% reduction in emissions, they are in favor of that! Nothing short of "STUPID".

Also, the old gas had lead in it, which was a lubricant, that is gone now, so IMO, the higher oil mix ratios make sense.

That said, I agree that often failures are related to operator error, like pushing a dull chain. But who (that does a lot of it) has not been in the situation where the chain hits something, and it still cuts, and you are almost done, and you just get it done! (Especially if time is tight). For those times, I like a little bit of insurance, so I run Saber at 40:1 with 93 octane fuel (high octane runs cooler).

Just because I ran 50:1 for years with leaded fuel w/o any problems does not mean I could get away with it with the unleaded fuel. IMO, you have to recognize change and adjust accordingly.

The 1/2 cord delivery went OK, they have 15 acres and I was hoping for hunting permission, but that got nixed because the wife "feeds them". Oh well!

Deer hunted with Mechanic Matt and Rich (Summer NY GTG a few years back), did not see any deer but had a little Bear run right by my stand, was pretty cool!

 

[tpence2177]

I saw someone post a ratio a while back I think it might have been chipper? Of putting the 2.6 oz of oil per 0.8 gal of gas to equal 40:1 ratio. We have ran 32:1 of Dino oil for years and have had very good success with that ( 20+ year old stihl weed eaters still running still going strong with who knows how many hours on them) since we have switched to full synthetic now I'm perfectly fine with 40:1 with non ethanol gas. All of my stuff still has the ability to tune the carbs manually and non are strato engines. I plan to keep it that way. One of the reasons when I need something new I'll probably just go with echo as long as they keep their current line up. That our rebuild older stihl and 300 series Husqvarna saws.

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[svk]

Agree. Failure due to lubrication is pretty rare when running 32:1.

The AT on my 550 doesn't care for 32:1 but runs great on 40:1 so that's what I've been mostly mixing lately. When the 2186 is going to see heavy use I'll feed that 32:1.

I feel bad for the folks who believed the Amsoil hype and had stuff fail at 100:1 and then Amsoil always blames the user.

 

[chipper1]

Re: Oil ratios - Do not forget the recommended ratios are influenced by the EPA, not just what is "good for your saw", and (unfortunately) they have no common sense. If they can reduce emissions, even if it will kill your saw in 5 years, they will do it!

For example, the EPA restricts emissions based on the SIZE of the saw, even if meeting those emission targets kills performance (performance is not a consideration). So, if you reduce performance by 50% to get a 5% reduction in emissions, they are in favor of that! Nothing short of "STUPID".

Also, the old gas had lead in it, which was a lubricant, that is gone now, so IMO, the higher oil mix ratios make sense.

That said, I agree that often failures are related to operator error, like pushing a dull chain. But who (that does a lot of it) has not been in the situation where the chain hits something, and it still cuts, and you are almost done, and you just get it done! (Especially if time is tight). For those times, I like a little bit of insurance, so I run Saber at 40:1 with 93 octane fuel (high octane runs cooler).

Just because I ran 50:1 for years with leaded fuel w/o any problems does not mean I could get away with it with the unleaded fuel. IMO, you have to recognize change and adjust accordingly.

The 1/2 cord delivery went OK, they have 15 acres and I was hoping for hunting permission, but that got nixed because the wife "feeds them". Oh well!

Deer hunted with Mechanic Matt and Rich (Summer NY GTG a few years back), did not see any deer but had a little Bear run right by my stand, was pretty cool!

I hear you, and agree. I also think that with the increased lubricating properties of the new oils that they can do way better than the old oils at richer mixtures. I wish more folks understood this "you have to recognize change and adjust accordingly" as it's one of the biggest issues, but just as the EPA rules are not common sense rules, thinking by individuals is lacking in common sense too.
Many times I have ran a chain not just a bit dull, but with a few rolled over teeth, just to get the job done quicker. I think it's good to have the extra insurance as you said . Many times there are other areas that come into play such as an improperly tuned saw or a very dirty saw, both which will run considerably hotter. When you add multiple factors together
thing can go down hill quickly .

I think if your saws were stock you could do just fine with 50:1, but you recognized the change and mad an adjustment, as do I . I've ran 50:1 on all my equipment for 15yrs and the only failure has been when I ran 50:0 .

Bummer you didn't get a new hunting spot out of the deal. Hearing all you guys talk about the challenges of getting good hunting spots makes me grateful for the property I live on, lot's of public land, and the many various friends/ acquaintances where I can hunt if I wanted. It makes me feel a bit bad that I'm not taking advantage of it. I'm sure down the road I will just that many other priorities get in the way, id like to get out and do some fishing too, and as the kids get older more of both should happen more often.
One thing I've yet to see in the woods or going down the road is a bear, although I did look a big cat directly in the eye which was cool. Must have been neat to see that little one moving about in his territory.

I saw someone post a ratio a while back I think it might have been chipper? Of putting the 2.6 oz of oil per 0.8 gal of gas to equal 40:1 ratio. We have ran 32:1 of Dino oil for years and have had very good success with that ( 20+ year old stihl weed eaters still running still going strong with who knows how many hours on them) since we have switched to full synthetic now I'm perfectly fine with 40:1 with non ethanol gas. All of my stuff still has the ability to tune the carbs manually and non are strato engines. I plan to keep it that way. One of the reasons when I need something new I'll probably just go with echo as long as they keep their current line up. That our rebuild older stihl and 300 series Husqvarna saws.

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That may have been me as I change the gas amount not the oil amount as there is less variance on that side of the equation. When I mix for my ported saws I mix 1.8 or so gallons to 5.2 of oil. I'm not super careful about it to be honest as I don't feel it's rocket science, but without oil it sure can be .

 

[benp]

Driving through northern Tennessee and Kentucky this morning. So many oaks!!!

That's like when I'm driving down to my girlfirends.

Dog's forehead is pressed against the window to take all of "essence of cow" in and my fore head is pressed against the window taking" essence of oak pasture as far as one can see" taken in. It's all hardwood.

And we are surrounded by popple.

Agree. Failure due to lubrication is pretty rare when running 32:1.

The AT on my 550 doesn't care for 32:1 but runs great on 40:1 so that's what I've been mostly mixing lately. When the 2186 is going to see heavy use I'll feed that 32:1.

I feel bad for the folks who believed the Amsoil hype and had stuff fail at 100:1 and then Amsoil always blames the user.

Oh......your 550 will learn to like 32:1 and 110VP. It will.....

Worst case Ontario, I put it next to the 510 for a while so they can talk and the 550 will learn what is what.

 

[dancan]

Here's the trailer , made from scrounged up steel .

The first centerbeam was narrower to make it fit behind an atv , I bent it on the first outing with the atv so I built a temporary one so I could rebuild it .
The hitch has also been changed to a pintle ring .

It's still on the trailer lol

 

[al-k]

Well when I was scrounging this oakMy buddy was getting this behind my house

 

[dancan]

A few things I'd change if I was to revisit the trailer , if anyone builds one make sure to ask .

 

[PSUplowboy]

A few things I'd change if I was to revisit the trailer , if anyone builds one make sure to ask .

I'd be interested in hearing that.

 

[dancan]

A few simple things , if you look at the bunks where the side stubs slide in ,

Have the top of the tube be flush with the side piece , it will make it easier for loading/off loading bigger stems .
No need for the spring on the hitch , just make sure it rotates and a pintle ring is the best hitch for this kind of work .
The next one one I build will have more bracing on the axle beam and maybe a third bunk to act as a backstop because it will be a bigger trailer but this one has held up so far with 1/2 cord+ loads of green softwood in a rough environment .
Make your walking beam and center post first , then make the bunks to fit your wheel setup .
It is an easy trailer to build , the pivot point is stock trailer hardware which was about 30$ from a spring shop , standard hubs and stubs for about 30$ a wheel , rims and tires are what you decide to use .

 

[WoodTick007]

I've always wanted a 35 whelen, was going to build one out of a Springfield 30-06, never did, my main hunting rifle is a stainless 45-70 marlin guide gun View attachment 539163 that I really like. Sure like the sounds of 6.5 creedmore too- next on the wish list.

Is your 45-70 ported? What scope do you have on it? Just curious as to your shooting range.... Will that rifle shoot out to 150-200 yards and hold a decent grouping? Nice picture.

 

[panolo]

I've move a lot of wood with a wheelbarrow , pretty efficient rig with only one wheel to keep inflated , I had 4 to do yesterday

Thanks for the info on the 461 Mike , I've not kept up on the bigger saws , just saw some of the grumblings about them .
Looks like a wet day here , no scrounging

Yamaha take offs. If you can find someone who sells multi seal around you that would cure the issue. Best stuff since sliced bread for up to 5/8" holes.

 

[panolo]

Agree. Failure due to lubrication is pretty rare when running 32:1.

The AT on my 550 doesn't care for 32:1 but runs great on 40:1 so that's what I've been mostly mixing lately. When the 2186 is going to see heavy use I'll feed that 32:1.

I feel bad for the folks who believed the Amsoil hype and had stuff fail at 100:1 and then Amsoil always blames the user.

Haha! I was a service manager for 10 years in power sports. Hundreds of amsoil failures. They never paid one.

 

[cantoo]

Well fellas, I think I'm finally back among the living. Last Sunday I started to get a sore throat. By Tuesday at noon I had to come home because I was coughing and spitting up crap so bad. By Tuesday night I couldn't even get out of bed by myself. Spent 2 1/2 days in bed or 20' from it on the toilet or laying on the cold vinyl floor. Went to work Friday morning for 2 hours and spent most of it laying on my office floor where no one could see me until I had enough strength to make it to my truck to go home. Stopped halfway and puked my guts out on the side of the road. Went to the hospital on Saturday morning and my throat is screwed strep throat, took xrays of my lungs and a bit of fluid plus a lot of gas buildup. Got the medication and went back to bed. Spent Saturday and Sunday morning in bed. Today while my wife was away I crawled outside, stacked a facecord of wood ( had to sit down 3 times) pouring out sweat then freezing, hooked my trailer onto my work truck and then went back in and crashed for 3 hours until she got home. Dogs went nuts when she got home so had enough time to get up and make it look like I was fine. My throat is still tough and I'm coughing every few minutes but there is no way I'm going to last in bed 1 more day. I figure I lost around 15 lbs since Monday. Today was the 1st time I've had much to eat since last Monday. Yesterday and today were perfect days to be in the bush and I was laying around on my azz. I have a throat specialist appointment next month to hopefully see what the cause is. I get strep throat every 5 to 6 weeks almost like clockwork but this time the flu came with it and it knocked the crap out of me.

 

[panolo]

Well fellas, I think I'm finally back among the living. Last Sunday I started to get a sore throat. By Tuesday at noon I had to come home because I was coughing and spitting up crap so bad. By Tuesday night I couldn't even get out of bed by myself. Spent 2 1/2 days in bed or 20' from it on the toilet or laying on the cold vinyl floor. Went to work Friday morning for 2 hours and spent most of it laying on my office floor where no one could see me until I had enough strength to make it to my truck to go home. Stopped halfway and puked my guts out on the side of the road. Went to the hospital on Saturday morning and my throat is screwed strep throat, took xrays of my lungs and a bit of fluid plus a lot of gas buildup. Got the medication and went back to bed. Spent Saturday and Sunday morning in bed. Today while my wife was away I crawled outside, stacked a facecord of wood ( had to sit down 3 times) pouring out sweat then freezing, hooked my trailer onto my work truck and then went back in and crashed for 3 hours until she got home. Dogs went nuts when she got home so had enough time to get up and make it look like I was fine. My throat is still tough and I'm coughing every few minutes but there is no way I'm going to last in bed 1 more day. I figure I lost around 15 lbs since Monday. Today was the 1st time I've had much to eat since last Monday. Yesterday and today were perfect days to be in the bush and I was laying around on my azz. I have a throat specialist appointment next month to hopefully see what the cause is. I get strep throat every 5 to 6 weeks almost like clockwork but this time the flu came with it and it knocked the crap out of me.

That sucks! Still have your tonsils? Used to get strep all the time until they were removed. Hope you are on the mend.

 

[tpence2177]

Well fellas, I think I'm finally back among the living. Last Sunday I started to get a sore throat. By Tuesday at noon I had to come home because I was coughing and spitting up crap so bad. By Tuesday night I couldn't even get out of bed by myself. Spent 2 1/2 days in bed or 20' from it on the toilet or laying on the cold vinyl floor. Went to work Friday morning for 2 hours and spent most of it laying on my office floor where no one could see me until I had enough strength to make it to my truck to go home. Stopped halfway and puked my guts out on the side of the road. Went to the hospital on Saturday morning and my throat is screwed strep throat, took xrays of my lungs and a bit of fluid plus a lot of gas buildup. Got the medication and went back to bed. Spent Saturday and Sunday morning in bed. Today while my wife was away I crawled outside, stacked a facecord of wood ( had to sit down 3 times) pouring out sweat then freezing, hooked my trailer onto my work truck and then went back in and crashed for 3 hours until she got home. Dogs went nuts when she got home so had enough time to get up and make it look like I was fine. My throat is still tough and I'm coughing every few minutes but there is no way I'm going to last in bed 1 more day. I figure I lost around 15 lbs since Monday. Today was the 1st time I've had much to eat since last Monday. Yesterday and today were perfect days to be in the bush and I was laying around on my azz. I have a throat specialist appointment next month to hopefully see what the cause is. I get strep throat every 5 to 6 weeks almost like clockwork but this time the flu came with it and it knocked the crap out of me.

Hope you get to feeling better and I hope the doctors can figure out what's going on!

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[Plowboy83]

I had the same problem they took my tonsils and adenoids out and life's been good