sharpener

[smokey01]

does anyone have any info on a good chainsaw sharpener i cant sharpen one correct with a hand file

For all of 39.99 you can try one of these and see if you like it, then move up to a better model like you can buy at one of the sponsors to this board. But for the price I don't think you can go wrong with this thing.

 

[smokey01]

You do not want a diamond wheel for steel chain, diamond should only be used on carbide chain. Diamond is carbon, carbon is soluble in steel, therefore steel and diamond are not compatible.
for Steel you want a CBN, cubic boron nitride wheel, common brand name is Borazon.

This is very interesting. Can you explain this a little more. I used diamond impregnated saws and core drilling bits for concrete and using water to clear the slurry it would go thru concrete, steel bolts and re-bar like it was butter.

 

[smokey01]

You do not want a diamond wheel for steel chain, diamond should only be used on carbide chain. Diamond is carbon, carbon is soluble in steel, therefore steel and diamond are not compatible.
for Steel you want a CBN, cubic boron nitride wheel, common brand name is Borazon.

This explains my missing utensils, they dissolved in the dishwasher, it's like my lost sock in the dryer, I think it actually evaporated, and all this time I thought it eloped with my undies.

 

[Philbert]

For all of 39.99 you can try one of these and see if you like it, then move up to a better model like you can buy at one of the sponsors to this board. But for the price I don't think you can go wrong with this thing.

Have to disagree Smokey. I think that those cheap grinders can cause additional frustration and waste $. OP would be better off to buy a used grinder, save up for a better quality grinder, or put the $40 towards a Granberg or maybe one of those Timberline sharpeners that others seem to like.

If you think that you might 'move up' in quality, you would be better off trying to find someone (A.S. member?) nearby who will let you try their grinder, rather than buying the cheap one first. My opinion.

Can you explain this a little more. I used diamond impregnated saws and core drilling bits for concrete and using water to clear the slurry it would go thru concrete, steel bolts and re-bar like it was butter.

These diamond wheels cut dry. The softer steel (compared to carbide) reportedly fills in the diamond matrix and reduces the wheel's ability to cut.

Philbert

 

[smokey01]

Have to disagree Smokey. I think that those cheap grinders can cause additional frustration and waste $.

Good point and I am pretty sure a guy can't go wrong just by following the path of the experts here. There are a lot of considerations to make.

...........These diamond wheels cut dry. The softer steel (compared to carbide) reportedly fills in the diamond matrix and reduces the wheel's ability to cut. Philbert

That makes sense about the diamond filling with the softer steel. They are expensive too. Just dressing the stone and buying new works for me.

 

[tolman_paul]

Even before learning to sharpen a chain is learning to touch up a chain before it becomes truly dull, and to keep the chain out of stuff that immediately dulls a chain, dirt. A chain that has started to dull can be quickly touched up with a few strokes of a file per tooth. A well and goodly dulled chain will require alot of filing.

Honestly I think you're best off starting with a file guide, and pickup some spare loops of chain. A good file and guide and a couple spare loops of chain will be a much better use of your money than a cheap grinder.

A grinder isn't a gurantee you'll do a better job sharpening a chain, and one can easily ruin a chain by overheating the teath on a chain and then they'll never hold an edge. If you have a chain you've dulled to the point of just making smoke in the cut, it'll take several passes with a grinder to bring it back to life, and not burn the teeth in the process.

 

[Joe Homeowner]

Been said by ??? before:

Get a PFERD hand sharpening system from Baileys. PFERD also sold by Husky as "ChainSharp" or something like that sold at pro dealers.

Why PFERD ? Cost ~ $20., it is a K.I.S.S. tool, simple and effective since it does the raker AND tooth for each pass, and directions: just match the witness line on the top of every tooth. The PFERD comes in sizes to match the gauge of the chain. Their German files are better than Swiss IMEHO.:msp_sneaky:

Oh, it is a hand tool that can be used in the field. Did I say this is better than Silicone Implants ?:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[smokey01]

I respect the opinions expressed here, but NOW for 29.99 I really think it is worth the expense of trying one of these before you buy a good one. I did before purchasing a nice one from Baileysonline (item 45340) for 269.99 and never found it difficult to use and pretty good performance. Not the precision or solid feel I get from the Baileys model, but amazing for the price and after much use, it still works if I need it for a back up. I mean for the price it is like going to dinner or putting 6 gallons of gas in your truck.
But I get what you are saying and totally agree, just putting another option out there.
Also given that this is the Homeowner Helper Forum and not the commercial thread.


Don't have one, but this looks like the cat's meow when it comes to grinding wheels.
Dinasaw 4-7/8" ABN Cyclone Grinding Wheels

For all of 39.99 you can try one of these and see if you like it, then move up to a better model like you can buy at one of the sponsors to this board. But for the price I don't think you can go wrong with this thing.

Have to disagree Smokey. I think that those cheap grinders can cause additional frustration and waste $. OP would be better off to buy a used grinder, save up for a better quality grinder, or put the $40 towards a Granberg or maybe one of those Timberline sharpeners that others seem to like.
If you think that you might 'move up' in quality, you would be better off trying to find someone (A.S. member?) nearby who will let you try their grinder, rather than buying the cheap one first. My opinion.

These diamond wheels cut dry. The softer steel (compared to carbide) reportedly fills in the diamond matrix and reduces the wheel's ability to cut.

Philbert

 

[sgreanbeans]

Do not waste your money on those cheap POS ones, they suck. The bushings in them wear out real fast and your angles will be all over the place.
Keeping in mind....Smokey....that this is the Homeowner Helper Forum, ya know, where they come to ask Pros, not another homeowner with a new hobby.

 

[troythetreeman]

i free hand all my saws, ill get them as sharp as new but i did screw a few up in the learning curve
i dont really bother with anything other then my climbers tho unless in a bind
for 5$ i can take one in, get good at free hand but find a local guy who does consistently good work, then buy enough chain you never have to file one again

 

[smokey01]

Do not waste your money on those cheap POS ones, they suck. The bushings in them wear out real fast and your angles will be all over the place.

So you have some experience in using these cheap things? I have never used one enough to wear out the bushing.
All I am saying is that I think they are worth 29 bucks to try. That is it, period, don't read more into it than that, just 29 bucks. Hell, you could spend 29 bucks on gas just to go to a friends house to try one and you couldn't rent one for 29 bucks.

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Keeping in mind....Smokey....that this is the Homeowner Helper Forum, ya know, where they come to ask Pros, not another homeowner with a new hobby.

You are exactly right, and in my professional opinion, it is worth 29 bucks to try one.
Just because I (or others) do not do it FULL time, does not mean I do not have a professional opinion or that I do not have experience using chainsaws. In this particular case my experience is based on; by hand with a file, by hand with a filing guide, with a Dremel attachment and guide, the new Powersharp Diamond by Oregon and with bench mounted grinders. For my needs I have found the bench mounted grinder perfect and I find the moderately priced one from Baileys perfect.
So...when 87 blazer asks........

does anyone have any info on a good chainsaw sharpener i cant sharpen one correct with a hand file

I try to help............with my professional opinion and experience. (As a side note, be careful slamming some guy because it is a hobby, you will find some real talent and passion there, maybe even more so than someone just going thru the motions at work.)

 

[sgreanbeans]

So you have some experience in using these cheap things? I have never used one enough to wear out the bushing.
All I am saying is that I think they are worth 29 bucks to try. That is it, period, don't read more into it than that, just 29 bucks. Hell, you could spend 29 bucks on gas just to go to a friends house to try one and you couldn't rent one for 29 bucks.

You are exactly right, and in my professional opinion, it is worth 29 bucks to try one.
Just because I (or others) do not do it FULL time, does not mean I do not have a professional opinion or that I do not have experience using chainsaws. In this particular case my experience is based on; by hand with a file, by hand with a filing guide, with a Dremel attachment and guide, the new Powersharp Diamond by Oregon and with bench mounted grinders. For my needs I have found the bench mounted grinder perfect and I find the moderately priced one from Baileys perfect.
So...when 87 blazer asks........

I try to help............with my professional opinion and experience. (As a side note, be careful slamming some guy because it is a hobby, you will find some real talent and passion there, maybe even more so than someone just going thru the motions at work.)

Yes I do have experience with them and they suck. No, you don't get to have a "professional" opinion, as you are not a pro. Your a hobbyist, and you are NOT the first one who thought they could jump on here and hand out info as soon as you learn it, trying to come off as a pro. You can have all the passion in the world for something, that does not mean you really have any true time, to have an opinion on the subject, let alone a "professional opinion". You want to give advise, go to the pilot forum. As for advice here, stop. Just because you would light 30 buck on fire, does not mean the next guy wants 2. If u use that thing and it works for ya, then that tells me you cant recognize the difference. You made a chair on top of a stick, this does not give you free admission to the "tree guy world", you are just another HO with a wild hair. One of many.
Let me remind you, this is Arboristsite.com, not Joehomeonwerwithalittlecoin.com. You want to learn, great, then sit down and listen, ask Q's, but do not try to come one here and hand it out like you are one of us. You are not.
In other words. Know your place.
Talent you say, in what?
You are now restricted to this HO forum, do not post in the others and do not hand out advise in this one. These guys are on here to learn form the Pros and you giving them advise is a safety issue. The other HO's don't want to hear it from you either, they want info from guys who HAVE been doing this, full time, for years. That is why they come here. 101 is for guys in the business that are trying to work their way up, so you don't apply there either. Comm and Climbing, never. This is not a debate or a argument, just the way it is, and always will be.
Its a safety thing. Something we don't "play with" here. This is not our hobby.

 

[Joe Homeowner]

Yes I do have experience with them and they suck. No, you don't get to have a "professional" opinion, as you are not a pro. Your a hobbyist, and you are NOT the first one who thought they could jump on here and hand out info as soon as you learn it, trying to come off as a pro. You can have all the passion in the world for something, that does not mean you really have any true time, to have an opinion on the subject, let alone a "professional opinion". You want to give advise, go to the pilot forum. As for advice here, stop. Just because you would light 30 buck on fire, does not mean the next guy wants 2. If u use that thing and it works for ya, then that tells me you cant recognize the difference. You made a chair on top of a stick, this does not give you free admission to the "tree guy world", you are just another HO with a wild hair. One of many.
Let me remind you, this is Arboristsite.com, not Joehomeonwerwithalittlecoin.com. You want to learn, great, then sit down and listen, ask Q's, but do not try to come one here and hand it out like you are one of us. You are not.
In other words. Know your place.
Talent you say, in what?
You are now restricted to this HO forum, do not post in the others and do not hand out advise in this one. These guys are on here to learn form the Pros and you giving them advise is a safety issue. The other HO's don't want to hear it from you either, they want info from guys who HAVE been doing this, full time, for years. That is why they come here. 101 is for guys in the business that are trying to work their way up, so you don't apply there either. Comm and Climbing, never. This is not a debate or a argument, just the way it is, and always will be.
Its a safety thing. Something we don't "play with" here. This is not our hobby.

We have ignition Houston.:angry3:

 

[Gologit]

Yes I do have experience with them and they suck. No, you don't get to have a "professional" opinion, as you are not a pro. Your a hobbyist, and you are NOT the first one who thought they could jump on here and hand out info as soon as you learn it, trying to come off as a pro. You can have all the passion in the world for something, that does not mean you really have any true time, to have an opinion on the subject, let alone a "professional opinion". You want to give advise, go to the pilot forum. As for advice here, stop. Just because you would light 30 buck on fire, does not mean the next guy wants 2. If u use that thing and it works for ya, then that tells me you cant recognize the difference. You made a chair on top of a stick, this does not give you free admission to the "tree guy world", you are just another HO with a wild hair. One of many.
Let me remind you, this is Arboristsite.com, not Joehomeonwerwithalittlecoin.com. You want to learn, great, then sit down and listen, ask Q's, but do not try to come one here and hand it out like you are one of us. You are not.
In other words. Know your place.
Talent you say, in what?
You are now restricted to this HO forum, do not post in the others and do not hand out advise in this one. These guys are on here to learn form the Pros and you giving them advise is a safety issue. The other HO's don't want to hear it from you either, they want info from guys who HAVE been doing this, full time, for years. That is why they come here. 101 is for guys in the business that are trying to work their way up, so you don't apply there either. Comm and Climbing, never. This is not a debate or a argument, just the way it is, and always will be.
Its a safety thing. Something we don't "play with" here. This is not our hobby.

Well said. This is no place for a poser or a dilettante.

 

[Gologit]

We have ignition Houston.:angry3:

Complaining about site moderation, LB?

 

[smokey01]

That's what I have, if you look at the Oregon one, they are the exact same thing! Different colors! Good little machine for 140

Out of 436 words in this thread, this is all your vast experience can put out.........I also have a Timber Tuff, and I like it?
Don't get me wrong, that might just be what the guy is looking for, he said he is looking for something other than a hand file.
But really, put some meat and potatoes into your post. You got all of the experience in the world, share it! What other types of grinders can you tell him about, which other types did not work for you. Give the guy some real help, he asked a simple question, focus on the question, help him.
Just because someone makes a suggestion here does not mean he has to do it. It is all a bunch of thoughts and ideas, in this case "good chainsaw sharpener" other than by hand. Next time I'll just say........I have one from Baileys and I like it, it is made in Italy, grinds real good.

Timber Tuff
Are you talking about the one made in China with some of the following reviews...

1. Some reviews I've read online have said that the TT they purchased was damaged upon delivery. Looking at the packaging, I can see why. No foam, no contoured insulation.. not even bubble wrap! Just chucked in the box.. This was a brand new, unopened box so its not like somebody removed the packaging. Not good at all.
2. As is typical of Chinese knock offs, he casting of the base left a lot to be desired.. its not 90* and required washers as shims in order to mount it to my stand.
3. No picture, but the mount for the vise where the chain is held is quite crude. THere was Chi-spec grease in there (gravel grease) that wasnt very slick. I cleaned that off and applied Teflon Super-Lube. I also lubes the outer ring where the vise swivels. That helped a ton, but its still quite stiff when changing from side to side. I hope it will work in.
6. The angle gauges are very cheesy. Particularly the tooth angle. They could have one a better (and maybe more accurate) job of scribing the angles for setup.

 

[sgreanbeans]

My post really had nothing to do with the sharpener, just used that for a example, but it was the straw that broke the back. My post was about you and your instant new found knowledge that you choose to share.........everywhere. My vast worldly experience is what zeroed me in on you, when you first came here, was not sure how to take you at first, but I do now. Again, you are not the first to do this on here, wont be the last.
As for the info that I gave the OP, that may be all he needed, some guys don't need their hand held, just a endorsement by someone who has done this for years, and that is good enough for them, they, at that point can take the ball and run. The others, who need to be coddled and held, well they are in the wrong place and probably should put their wild thing down and go back in the house.

Heed what I say.

 

[DavdH]

Timberline, mention arborsite and get a discount. Pricy, simple, accurate,doesn't need a plug in several people on here I sorta agree w/ sometimes like them. Pricy.. worth it, up to you.

 

[Gologit]

“you and your instant new found knowledge that you choose to share.........everywhere.”

One would expect something other than to share knowledge (and experiences, I’m working on those) on a discussion forum? What difference does it really make WHEN it is learned? I wish some would share more of that old found knowledge they have.
“.........everywhere “ At least everywhere on this forum that seems appropriate. I get the difference between talking about a Blakes Hitch in 101 and the Singing Tree Rope Wrench in the advanced. And I have learned that even if something appears to have a commercial use, and it involves a rope and a chain, don’t even think about mentioning it to the pros.

“Again, you are not the first to do this on here, wont be the last.”
So that is the plan, chase off anyone that comes here to share new found knowledge that they wish to share?? Personally, I continue to plan on sharing new found knowledge in the hope to gain more as I do have lots to learn.
I can’t help it if some here have a god complex or get all territorial and run around like some kind of dog pissing on everything that they consider their realm. Then when a dog barks back, they get all pissed off, or should I say, pissier, but I don’t think that is a real word and I’m not sure if it should be spelled with an ..ier o yer.
So now that my word count is way up there just to suggest a cheap sharpener, next time how bout we just say….I disagree with that opinion and state your own………that is what I’m going to do.
And some of you experienced long-timers, when I guy asks a sincere question like “How much to charge for this job?”, help him out, give some real advice instead of playing with the guy and then trying to make him look silly. (or hang him with a rope and chain)

“Heed what I say”
Swear I have heard that before……….
"take heed to my ways, that you sin not with your tongue: keep your mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me...
just can’t remember where.
Anyone ever mention the GOD COMPLEX TO YOU?

Now if you excuse me, I’m going to go work on my Bigshot, I have some ideas on mounting the laser and when I get it done I plan to share it with EVERYONE so they can evaluate it and see if it works for them. Don’t worry, I’ll put it on the recreational sub category.

P.S. Hope your drive is going safe and well, be careful out there and good luck to you at your new destination.

Post moved to Recreational Climbing as per request of smokey01 10/20/12

 

[SquirrelMan]

my first saw had a safety chain.. I thought I was a idiot and couldn't sharpen but when I got a real chain, I saw what the deal was. You are not using safety chains, are you?