Sharpening comparison of stihl full chisel and semichisel chain

[Matildasmate]

Can anyone tell me the diff between sharpening stihl full chisel and semi chisel chain . Cheer's MM

 

[Cliff R]

I use the same method on the teeth, with a hand file, maintain the factory angle/depth, etc.

I would recomend to be more conservative with lowering the drags on full chisel, as they will "bite" in pretty hard, and stall the engine more easily. The size of the cut is always dependent on how powerful the saw is, and how tough the material is that you are trying to cut. For downed/dead oak, for example, it can be harder than a rock, requiring very sharp teeth and higher drags. If you are in green pine for example, with a relatively powerful saw, you could just about remove the drags completely!.......Cliff

 

[Fish]

I will dig up a scan from one of my earlier threads, which will show the tilt.

http://new.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3997&d=1042997445

Welcome to the forum Cliff, we always need a high performance carb expert
here, and a Ruggles to boot!
Many of the posters here live in your area as well, I have mentioned your name before.

I hope to come by and see your shop when we are up next, probably the tomato festival.

 

[Cliff R]

Thanks, I've had a passion for chainsaws for over 30 years, and as a side hobby we buy, repair and sell quite a few of them. The carburetor business however, takes up most of our time, so we can't work on nearly as many saws as I would like.

Stop by anytime, I'm usually here, unless off riding my Road King someplace or cutting firewood!......Cliff

 

[Zodiac45]

I'm using a Speed Sharp chain grinder and the technique is the same for both chains. The full chisel starts out as a square ground chain and the semi is round ground. Once you resharpen the full chisel whether with round file or a wheel grinder. it becomes round ground. There are square grinders (silvey's) but they are very expensive. Also there are people who can hand file a square ground chain and remains square ground but it's difficult and tedious and is done with flat surfaced files.:greenchainsaw:

 

[stihl 440]

rakers

I wouldn't suggest lowering the rakers on any chain. A properly maintained depth gauge chain will smoke a cut depth gauges chain any day. I showed a guy at the sawmill the same thing. He used to cut his rakers and his saw jumped all around the place in the cut, and took him forever to get through the log and his chain kept stalling. I showed him the way my chains cut he now has a depth gauge tool. I raced his 044 with my 440 and smoked him by atleast 3/4 of a cut.:greenchainsaw:

 

[Fish]

But Cliff is my cousin.............

So any dissent about his post troubles me.........................

So a 044 vs. a 440 is different?????

No worries, my days are short anyway...........................

Do you have any "girlie" pics, to make it better????

Cliff is up in Amish country, so he prefers Amish babes churning butter...........
I just prefer babes churning anything.

In central Ohio, a Stihl MS660 is a limbing saw, and Tequila is a girl's drink.

Ok, a good looking hispanic girl's drink, that is why I like it...................

 

[stihl 440]

chain

But Cliff is my cousin.............

So any dissent about his post troubles me.........................

So a 044 vs. a 440 is different?????

No worries, my days are short anyway...........................

Do you have any "girlie" pics, to make it better????

Cliff is up in Amish country, so he prefers Amish babes churning butter...........
I just prefer babes churning anything.

In central Ohio, a Stihl MS660 is a limbing saw, and Tequila is a girl's drink.

Ok, a good looking hispanic girl's drink, that is why I like it...................

I didn't say anything bad about cliff. I was just saying you shouldn't cut your depth gauges. It was a newer 044 and my 440. But for girl pics you know where to look.HA HA...LOL!!!!:greenchainsaw:

 

[HUSKYMAN]

As Cliff said there are two good times to lower your depth gauges, soft wood and having a lot of hp. You need to be experienced with saws and know about the increased kickback potential, etc.

Stihl 440, one of Cliffs chains and a user who knows what he is doing will smoke your 440 in soft wood, but get smoked in seasoned hardwood

 

[Fish]

Just razzing you a bit, but seriously, he is my cousin, and he is a high
perfomance carb expert.
I do not think he knows that I am his cousin, but just google him, and you
will see what good lookin hunks us Ruggles are.

Ok,Ok, I am only 1/2 Ruggles, but at least 3/4 expert on something...............

You guys know what that is.................................................

 

[Fish]

Now feel free to say something bad about HUSKYMAN, I will sell tickets.............

 

[HUSKYMAN]

You dont have to explain anything Fish, we know in KY you are all cousins one way or another

 

[dustytools]

Damn Fish, I didnt know we wuz kinned folk.

 

[Fish]

Once you go Ruggles, you never go back....................

 

[Cliff R]

Hey cousin Fish, I like your signature. I need to add the "mean wife" thing to mine as well. As mean as mine is, I hate to get rid of her, cause I might get one that woln't let me buy all these chain saws!.....Cliff

 

[stihl 440]

066

As Cliff said there are two good times to lower your depth gauges, soft wood and having a lot of hp. You need to be experienced with saws and know about the increased kickback potential, etc.

Stihl 440, one of Cliffs chains and a user who knows what he is doing will smoke your 440 in soft wood, but get smoked in seasoned hardwood

I'll race anytime..... HA HA.LOL!!! I do lower the rakers for soft wood with my husky depth gauge tool, it has 2 settings one for hard one for soft. I don't cut much pine/spruce but when I do I take them down. But I keep them on the hardwood setting for green/dry hardwood. I don't cut as much dry hardwood as I do green.:greenchainsaw:

 

[Lakeside53]

If you use a file guide, there is NO difference in the sharpening techinque. the side angles will appear different, but that's a result of filing the differect shaped cutters, not what you do.

 

[stihl 440]

file guide

If you use a file guide, there is NO difference in the sharpening techinque. the side angles will appear different, but that's a result of filing the differect shaped cutters, not what you do.

I do not use the file guide for the cutters, I just use the depth gauge checker. Like I said I freehand file 10X better than any guide will do. :greenchainsaw:

 

[Lakeside53]

10X? Hmmm.. for most, the simple $9.95 Stihl/orgeon file guides already produce excellent results... by setting the depth of the file relative to the top of the cutter. We use them in the store to straighen out homeowner chain butchering. "What do you mean there different sized files?" lolol

 

[Matildasmate]

Very interesting guy's and also very funny , I had a few laugh's . About the depth gage's though , it's not generaly a good Idea to take too much off the gage's , back inthe caveman day's , along time ago I used to take em down more than normal , it's not a real smart idea , on occasion's I snapped of cutter's . Cheer's MM