newsawtooth
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It hasn't even gotten weird yet. You haven't met The Dan, Yoda Jeffers is being civil, and most of us still have pants on.
Should I start a business????
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It hasn't even gotten weird yet. You haven't met The Dan, Yoda Jeffers is being civil, and most of us still have pants on.
DangerTree
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This tree was 150' tall and 12' at the butt if you fu.. up on one of these on some guys house you are officially out of bidness! It only takes one bad choice to wreck your day.
Bigus Termitius
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LOL! Yeah, it's like, wait, don't go yet....there's more.
This tree was 150' tall and 12' at the butt if you fu.. up on one of these on some guys house you are officially out of bidness! It only takes one bad choice to wreck your day.
Not only wreck your day, but potentially your whole year.
Cutler tree
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Do any of you big dog tree guys get refered work by smaller companies? I know I will refer and if I got a call to do that ceder I'd say thanks for the call I know someone who is better qualified to handle this tree pass on their number and let them handle it. So if you roll up on a tree that's out of your leauge be honest with the homeowners and walk away. BTW 1st year in the biz, walked away from 3. I did some that others walked away from.
Blakesmaster
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Yeah, I get some referrals but I wouldn't consider myself a big dog by any means, I'm just a bit too big headed to walk away from stuff others quickly run from. There's always a way to get the job done. Take the time to think it over, explore your options and put you bid in the sky. Figuring out how to do something that others can't is the BEST exposure your company can get.
We don't do residential, but I often get asked for an estimate. Wether by phone, or homeowner's, or our trucks on the road. Also a cool web-site. I will always try to give them one and when they get my price they will shop. So, I know they will shop and I give them a couple of number's from my guys. I refer most of res to our guys and they and the HO make out. We do get referral's from landscape companies. Some will mark up our price and some won't.
Jeff
M.D. Vaden
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+1
Looking forward to the day that virtually every tree worker gets into the profession because they crave to master the art and science, rather than a means to acquire wood and groceries.
You need to post more, Old Man! I know it is hard to do in a rocking chair, Hahahaha! I am just messing with ya!
Jeff
M.D. Vaden
vadenphotography.com
Well ... I am wearing a knee brace lately. It clicks going upstairs now.
Maybe my frame will become a percussion instrument in the next 10 years.
: - )
DangerTree
ArboristSite Operative
And unlike Jeff and Blake I am the smaller company. I get referrals from Large line contractors that are too busy to tackle some of the larger hard to get at trees. Or they just can'y be bothered even with the small ones. Also I get lots of work from construction contractors. There is also the return clients that have used us in the past and like our professional attitude and cleanliness. I seldom walk away from a job I simply bid way high and sometimes you get em' anyway. I am a fully armed contract killer that supplements with pruning fruit trees and ornamentals to give the body a break and fill dead space. I do like pruning and repair work a lot but it's not my bread and butter. If the bigger fish don't feed in my pond once in a while they will get hungry. The larger companies tend to have more time constraints because they need to fulfill contracts. I am only constrained by my fitness and the climate.
When you first start out you will tend to sell yourself short. When bidding here is what you need. Travel time to and from, rigging time, dismantle time/ felling, material handling including disposal cost and clean-up. First think hourly then day rate. If a job is going to eat most of the day then day rate it. Don't under bid!! you kill your own market and everyone else's. Enjoy your work and work safe.
defensiblespace
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As the saying goes, "you've got a lot to learn.". There are start up companies like this every year. Most of em don't make it. And no offense to you personally, but these companies are a pain in my ***. They underbid to get work and then hack their way through it. Taking classes will help, but nothing beets on the job training, for the health of the trees and your own safety. If you start a biz, don't be cheap. Hire someone with experience and credentials and have them guide you through the experience. Most importantly, be honest with your customers and don't bid on jobs that are out of your league. Have a go to sub contractor who can do those jobs for you. Also, get all your appropriate licensing and insurance required for your area or you could find yourself in a lot of trouble real fast.
DangerTree
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Hey our pics are similar! But my wood is bigger than yours!
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Harsh?
Are you saying because he isn't in the business , he shouldn't get in the business? Being a good business owner and being a good tree climber are two separate things, A good business owner would so round himself with people that are better then him. Dont we all have to start somewhere?
Are you saying because he isn't in the business , he shouldn't get in the business? Being a good business owner and being a good tree climber are two separate things, A good business owner would so round himself with people that are better then him. Dont we all have to start somewhere?
tree md
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There are hundreds of flash in the pan carpenters, welders, (insert whichever trade your jacklegged ass can't make it in here) treeman wannabe startups coming into the trade everyday. As has been mentioned, you will lowball and screw up every tree you can reach with you ladder, polesaw, bucket truck, give the trade a black eye and screw up the market in your area for the few months/year that you last until you can finagle someone else into hiring your jacklegged ass into whatever trade you are not making it in in the first place.
Let's see, I did a little gas and arc welding at votech in high school... I think I'll start a fabrication business... Yeah, that's the ticket.
Let's see, I did a little gas and arc welding at votech in high school... I think I'll start a fabrication business... Yeah, that's the ticket.
swyman
ArboristSite Operative
I'd like to invite all you P'sOS over to my house for a no holds barred! I have never talked with such a bunch of horses rear ends and frankly the only one giving the trade a black eye are guys like you! I have talked with a few business in the area and they are very nice but I guess I must live in a better part of the country than you and they are not miserable pricks. If I were in your area I would take trees down for free, maybe start a tree cutting charity service. Just remember...MEAN PEOPLE SUCK...... ya, I'm talking to YOU rooster fish!
tree md
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Be careful what you wish for sonny boy. Most of us have spent a lifetime of swinging chunks of tree, not holed up in a shop.
I mean, what do you think? Am I ready to go into the welding business? I mean, I did a little gas welding in votech at school... Sounds a little idiotic doesn't it???
Get real.
Rftreeman
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What's your address.........
we already have people that take them down for free, we call them firewood jockeys.....
swyman
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I'm done with this thread for good, quit replying, is going nowhere
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