skidder vs dozer

[treeslayer2003]

sleeve with steel wedges that go inside and hold tight as you pull the cable.........we shall see...........

 

[4x4American]

huh...must be kinda something like a chinese finger trap way that it works.

report back will ya!

 

[northmanlogging]

Quick knobs, takes about 20 mins to replace one and ya loose less cable in the process, a knot generally burns a foot or two of line, along with whatever goes with the breakage, where the quick knob only looses about a foot if you catch it early.

Just need a hammer and a flat punch to fix em, maybe a grinder or cable cutter if you want it to look nice. (an old axe in a stump works but is less then safe...)

I've found the the knots tended to break and crap out fairly quick anyway, or they never got tied correctly so I'd have to redo it you know after all the sliders had come off... total pain in the ass...

The quick knob is more or less infinitely reusable, unless ya loose part of it, but they do sell replacement wedges...

 

[Sawyer Rob]

That cable repair sounds like something I'd be interested in... I've been looking for quick nobs on line and I've found nothing... Do you have a link??

Thanks, SR

 

[treeslayer2003]

try split wedge ferrule

 

[treeslayer2003]

this thing..........the wedges are shaped so one strand goes in each grove, the ferrule is cone shaped so it gets tighter as you pull........its a little tricky to get started right.
northman can chime in here if i got it wrong.

 

[treeslayer2003]

 

[treeslayer2003]

a salvage yard nearby has spools of this 3/4 solid cable for 1.55 a foot...............i shoulda got 150' prolly. i can see it now get within 3 feet and out.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

try split wedge ferrule

Thanks for the suggestion...

SR

 

[northmanlogging]

Looks good, give the wedges a little tap with a punch to really seat them, then once you pull on something they set good and solid, cable should break before they slip.

Getting them apart can be a chore, cut em off clean on both sides and use a punch from the small end, helps to have something solid with a hole in it to rest in on... like a waist high stump... or the end of a log... Then just reassemble.

Only bummer is they only work on the regular 6x?? stuff no 8x?? hoisting wire, which I have a pile off...

 

[northmanlogging]

Also helps to bind off the cable before reassembly about 3" below where you want the knob to sit, otherwise you end up chasing the wedge up the line... a quick wrap of tape or wire is all it takes.

 

[treeslayer2003]

oh i tapped um good.............i take it i should wait to trim it untill it gets pulled good?

 

[northmanlogging]

it helps... a little... mostly out of paranoia... if you give the wedges a good tap the wire doesn't seem to pull through much if any.

My first few attempts at this I just sorta threw it together and crossed my fingers... only pulled about 1/2" or so without any tapping... of course it took about an hour that first time since I hadn't figured on needing to sieze the wire so I sorta chased my tail a bit...

Winch line is why I picked up a TS 400 hot saw... cutting cable with an axe gets old quick, especially alone, position-smack-reposition-smack-reposition-miss- reposition-smack-reposition-falls off-re, falls off (leave hurt something inanimate) reposition-smack...

 

[4x4American]

so will the sliders pass over it or will they get caught on it

 

[northmanlogging]

I use the same size knob that ya see in Slayers pics, on 3/4 cable, much larger then the holes in most sliders, even the big loop style get caught by these, they also make a larger size knob that is like 2" in diameter or so, if it don't stop the slider you need to get different sliders...

I've gone away from the big hole sliders seems like they tear up the cable faster. even if they are easier to work with.

 

[treeslayer2003]

i think ya right on that northy, however the hook style looses chokers........the pin will not.

 

[OlympicYJ]

TS I gotta say I'm surprised there isn't a rigging shop nearby that can make cable straps with eyes. If they can do that then they can press dog knobs on if they had the knobs. You could go old school and babbitt em lol

 

[northmanlogging]

The pressed on knobs are hard to press on in the bushes...

The pinned sliders are nice and all but if you have to swap out different length chokers with any frequency they start to suck pretty fast.

 

[OlympicYJ]

I know. Was just saying you would think there would be a rigging outfit that has a press, just maybe not the proper knobs for ends. The quickknobs be handy though. Lots of droplines on yarders have a quickknob on em with a hook and seem to hold just fine.

The old man is wanting one of those cut-off saws too, doesn't want one bad enough for new though lol

 

[northmanlogging]

I got two, one is in pretty bad shape, had to rebuild the other, bearings, seals, p+c, carb still needs a looking at but i runs long enough for my needs.

Second one needs all of the above and a top handle assm as well as whatever else I stole off of it..., carb should be ok... like that helps...