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Ain't no "homeowner" about a 372XP...:D

Gary

I did leave out a fact or two. That 650 for sale really was whispering to me. My rationalization kinda went like this:

660 is a true "pro" saw.
650 ain't no 660 and no pro would be using it.
Must be a "homeowner" saw.

Buying used always scares me or that sucker would be mine.

Jack
 
660 and 650 are the same thing for all intents, 2mm larger bore and a different stickers.

I don't see much reason to carry about a saw with a downsized jug, but price wise maybe it makes sense for some people.

But that does not change how the saw is constructed.
 
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I don't see much reason to carry about a saw with a downsized jug, but price wise maybe it makes sense for some people.

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Well, again, for a "homeowner" it's not about need or sense. It's about want, rationalization and facing SWMBO.

Jack
 
The chainsaw paradigms...

First off, if someone posts here on AS about a 30cc "homeowner" saw (as I have), the discussion will drift to more cc's and bigger and better, until you wind up with the 361 and 5100s. This is an example of the relative constant that I call "The AS Chainsaw Drift". Its is like the red shift of light in the expanding universe. No matter what you think you want, you really need and want either a 5100s or an MS361. No two ways about it.

Secondly, walk into a logger area Stihl shop unshaven in Levis, flannel shirt, cork boots, a 'hat head', and they steer you toward the pro end of the linup or ask you what you broke on your 460 Mag. Then go outside, change clothes and shave, walk back into the same store with clean shoes, creased slacks, a white shirt with open buttons (like you just pulled off your tie) and they will steer you toward the baby saws or ask you if you would consider hiring a pro instead of buying something as dangerous as a chainsaw. That is, if they even notice that you are in the store. This is an example of the chainsaw homeowner-pro paradigm. Seemingly there are no people in between these two extremes. The same with the saws. They are either flimsy throw-away homeowner models, or they are souped up pro models. There simply are no mid-range sawyers, and there are no mid-range saws.

To exemplify the homeowner-pro paradigm, I have these two photos. This first one is of a typical homeowner saw (Echo CS-305) and typical geeky homeowner using it (under professional supervision, of course):

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This second photo is the typical professional saw (fully modded hotsaw) and typical professional sawyer (don't try this at home!):

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So...

What kind of saw would y'all recommend for an apartment dweller? :confused:

Y'know, to fell the occasional potted palm, Tangerine tree, or bonsai'd Mugo Pine.
 
Old Husky 2100

Not for anything but the noise. There is nothing like that old mid-80's rumble to scare the heck out of your neighbors in the apartments...

Jason
 
I had a 141 husky that I bought back when I had to really stretch my tool budget.I used it as a climbing saw only..With a 14 inch bar and single drag chain,it would hold its own all day long with a MS 200T...or it was a 020T back then..My dealer told me that for what I was using it for,it wouldn't last 18 months.....I got three years out of that little rascal,and it still never broke down..The only reason I lost it was because I took it off of my lanyard while 70 feet up to cut a big top out of a poplar tree..The saw got hung in the cut as the top started to fall,and I had no choice but to let it go or fall to the ground with it...It busted into three peices....So according to everyone else,that is a crappy saw..But I see it as the climbing saw that got me where I am today.I replaced it with a MS200T stihl,and have had more problems out of those saws than I ever did the mighty little husky.Now I only use the 200T for pruning,and I use the 346XP up in the tree for big removals...My little MS210 has been running for a little over three years as well,and it has been passed around through everyone that has worked for me during that time.Now it gets used by one of my climbers everyday up in the tree,and it still cranks on the second pull.I liked that little saw so much that I went and bought another to use as a back-up.I don't think it will outcut the old 141 I had,but it's close.
 
Apartment dweller Stihl saw...

So...

What kind of saw would y'all recommend for an apartment dweller? :confused:

Y'know, to fell the occasional potted palm, Tangerine tree, or bonsai'd Mugo Pine.

Ooooooohhhhhhhh, for the apartment dweller, as well as the condo owner, we have this particular model Stihl saw available...
 
I'm a homeowner with some land and have cut firewood for many years. I also occasionally have cut pulp and logs to sell.

I do not even come close to using my saws as much as people who cut for a living. But I own 3 "Professional" saws. The reason is not because they are called "Pro", but the fact that they are better built and hopefully will make the work I do with them easier and less frustrating.

I chose these saws because they were a better built tool. I'm an average working guy. Money is earned, and I try to spend it wisely. When buying tools, I like to purchase quality, and will spend perhaps more than I should, in my circumstances. But....I feel that in the long run, I will have made the best choice.
 
I'm a homeowner with some land and have cut firewood for many years. I also occasionally have cut pulp and logs to sell.

I do not even come close to using my saws as much as people who cut for a living. But I own 3 "Professional" saws. The reason is not because they are called "Pro", but the fact that they are better built and hopefully will make the work I do with them easier and less frustrating.

I chose these saws because they were a better built tool. I'm an average working guy. Money is earned, and I try to spend it wisely. When buying tools, I like to purchase quality, and will spend perhaps more than I should, in my circumstances. But....I feel that in the long run, I will have made the best choice.

Nicely said, sawin. I gave ya rep for that post. Thats how I feel too. I like the quality construction of the pro saws, and I like to do the task at hand with the best tool available. Im not a logger or arborist, but I want a good saw for my firewood and hobby.
 
Nice Sawin

Have to agree, good post. I am not an arborist or a logger, but I want good tools, and I like knowing that they will outperform whatever I throw at them. With that said, you can almost always get rid of good tools if you get hurt and can't pay the mortgage anymore, but that's my regular job talking...

Jason
 
First off, if someone posts here on AS about a 30cc "homeowner" saw (as I have), the discussion will drift to more cc's and bigger and better, until you wind up with the 361 and 5100s. This is an example of the relative constant that I call "The AS Chainsaw Drift". Its is like the red shift of light in the expanding universe. No matter what you think you want, you really need and want either a 5100s or an MS361. No two ways about it.

Of course, this is related to the more general "for a little more money..." disease. Go post to a woodworking group asking about a $500 table saw. You'll here that you need to spend another $200 to get model XYZ, and before you know it, you're spending 2 grand on a Unisaw. Or go to... er, another site where they talk about chainsaws and milling and stuff, and ask a chainsaw mill question. They'll helpfully explain that you need a Petersen or a Woodmiser to slap up that 12" pine that the storm blew down.
 
First off, if someone posts here on AS about a 30cc "homeowner" saw (as I have), the discussion will drift to more cc's and bigger and better, until you wind up with the 361 and 5100s. This is an example of the relative constant that I call "The AS Chainsaw Drift". Its is like the red shift of light in the expanding universe. No matter what you think you want, you really need and want either a 5100s or an MS361. No two ways about it.

Secondly, walk into a logger area Stihl shop unshaven in Levis, flannel shirt, cork boots, a 'hat head', and they steer you toward the pro end of the linup or ask you what you broke on your 460 Mag. Then go outside, change clothes and shave, walk back into the same store with clean shoes, creased slacks, a white shirt with open buttons (like you just pulled off your tie) and they will steer you toward the baby saws or ask you if you would consider hiring a pro instead of buying something as dangerous as a chainsaw. That is, if they even notice that you are in the store. This is an example of the chainsaw homeowner-pro paradigm. Seemingly there are no people in between these two extremes. The same with the saws. They are either flimsy throw-away homeowner models, or they are souped up pro models. There simply are no mid-range sawyers, and there are no mid-range saws.

To exemplify the homeowner-pro paradigm, I have these two photos. This first one is of a typical homeowner saw (Echo CS-305) and typical geeky homeowner using it (under professional supervision, of course):

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This second photo is the typical professional saw (fully modded hotsaw) and typical professional sawyer (don't try this at home!):

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This, well be, the funniest post I ever read on AS, and the most to the point. Ouch my sides are splitting.
So, true. I walked into a Stihl saw shop 20 odd years ago and walked out with an 026 for my landscape business. 15 or so years later I walked out with an 066. And that is exactly the truth of the matter. (took me that long to grow a beard:laugh: )
"Here, you cut with that saw for a while if you come back after a few years looking like you survived WWIII then we'll talk turkey." Bingo!
Great post windthrown. :cheers: (the guy in the first looks like my father, he was a saleman):D
I agree with, I think sperho said, it's a marketing tool. Just because you have manicured finger nails and the first thing think if you cut yourself is plastic surgery dosen't mean someone should call you a "homeowner". It's just a way to get you into the state of buyership. They should be called the x hours saw and the y hours saw.
 

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