Splitter Overkill

[Tazman1602]

Huh???

That was in reference to several posts I've read here that say people have had really bad luck with Honda engines. I personally have NEVER had an issue with a Honda engine.

I also have several B&S engines one of which is a 5hp on a manual tiller I've got for wifey. That thing has only had the oil changed once in ten years and zero issues. It will start on the second or third pull every year.

Shoot I like both Briggs and Honda myself...........

 

[Tazman1602]

PS: Fab up or buy a catcher or "wings" too keep from picking up multiple split pieces. Sort of like this guy sells. Makes life easier.

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Got plans for that already.............I just blew the right fender off it yesterday. Daughter and I went out and dropped a bunch of 16" diameter maple (trunks a bit bigger) and split them all.

The engine side is the one that worries me. The rocker cover for the overhead valve arrangement is right in the line of fire if a log comes off -- that one scared the crap out of me.

The built in cradle is great. You can back the truck right up to it and lift the pieces off and dump right in the cradle as opposed to picking them up.................I would have used verticle if they were on the ground....

Great splitter, great price, just needs some "customizing".

You guys are BAD! (........the new non-epa muffler for my 353 came in yesterday and I can't wait to cut it up, add a port, and go play with my carb.....)

 

[stihl sawing]

The engine side is the one that worries me. The rocker cover for the overhead valve arrangement is right in the line of fire if a log comes off -- that one scared the crap out of me.

I bent my valve cover in last year, Had to take it off and straighten it out. It didn't hurt nothing but it did leak oil before i fixed it. They will bend easy if a good size chunk of wood hit's it.

 

[Mikecutstrees]

Same one I have. Runs and splits great. check the hydraulic fluid though, mine was less than full when I received mine. Makes it heat up the fluid even more. Nice machine.... enjoy.... Mike

 

[Tazman1602]

I bent my valve cover in last year, Had to take it off and straighten it out. It didn't hurt nothing but it did leak oil before i fixed it. They will bend easy if a good size chunk of wood hit's it.

I'm fixin' to cobb the steel to make a shield for that engine today. Sucker splits crotch wood -- big wood, just blows them right apart. I did notice the hydraulic cyl was awful hot by the time I was done so I'll check hyd fluid again today. I was pretty sure the TSC guy who put it together had zero idea of what he was doing so I did check all fluids before I started using. Great unit!

 

[boombah]

overkill you guys are kidding!!!!!

thats a wimp of a splitter and indeed guys douglas fir and the like they just soft wood use that splitter on some aussie timber like yellow/ grey box red/blue gum and watch it complain i built my splitter for local conditions and then some. it has 16hp honda , 2stage pump, 30 gpm flow and a 5 inch ram, and is built like the proverbial brick #### house has around 45 tons at the axe head and is based on hydraulic/ mechanical advantage as hoges said thats not a splitter this is a splitter regards to all steve if somebody can explain to me how to up load a jpg file ill post some photos stihl:3x090av,2x090,2xlightnings,ms880mag,066mag,046mag,2x08s,009L, 1x jred xf,2xmcculloch super 250

 

[2FatGuys]

... it has 16hp honda , 2stage pump, 30 gpm flow and a 5 inch ram, and is built like the proverbial brick #### house has around 50+ tons at the axe head and is based on hydraulic/ mechanical advantage

I am anxiously awaiting the pictures of this legendary machine. I can't wait to see how you have coaxed so much power ffrom such a small ram.

 

[boombah]

hopefully this will work heres the splitter guys

 

[boombah]

heres is some australian red gum that was cut up in the grampians in victoria this tree was 7foot6inches out of the ground and about 2 foot in [buried itself over the years] and went 55 tons regards steve we should of slabbed it but to late now the ms880 is running 72 inch bar with carlton skip chain regards steve thats my mate laurie having a go

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

heres is some australian red gum that was cut up in the grampians in victoria this tree was 7foot6inches out of the ground and about 2 foot in [buried itself over the years] and went 55 tons

That's some nice looking wood!

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

it has 16hp honda , 2stage pump, 30 gpm flow and a 5 inch ram,

At 2500 PSI, you get 24.54 tons out of the ram with that rig. Beefy looking ram, too!

has around 50+ tons at the axe head and is based on hydraulic/ mechanical advantage

So you're saying you get a 2:1 mechanical advantage with that rig? Can you explain that for us? I can't quite see where that much leverage is coming from with that setup. It looks pretty close to 1:1 from what I can see.


Of course, with that thin 'wedge' (more like a blade!), you'll get a lot of splitting done with not much pressure.


Wouldn't work well on most of our woods here, I think. They need a wider split to make them come apart.

 

[triptester]

Boombah,

Looks like you got yourself a version of the the SuperAxe. How long of blocks will it split.

 

[2FatGuys]

hopefully this will work heres the splitter guys

Interesting splitter design. I've never seen anything like that. How did you arrive at the numbers for splitting force?

 

[boombah]

and heres another one from a different angle steve

 

[2FatGuys]

Boombah,

Looks like you got yourself a version of the the SuperAxe. How long of blocks will it split.

BINGO!! That's how he has 50 tons! Read the SuperAxe website. They measure tonnage "AT THE BASE OF THE AXE". That would give the 2:1 mech advantage necessary to get those numbers. However, the toughest part of the split is not the outer part of a round. I would suggest that this thing is capable of around 15 tons at the tip of the axe. We couldn't use one here in NC. We need the wedge to move through the length of the round )to shear knots, etc.), not limited by a pivot point.

 

[stihl sawing]

That's a nice looking splitter, But i wanna see the guy that can pick up one of them big red gum rounds and throw it on the table.LOL

 

[boombah]

splitter over kill

correct guys actually its around 45 tons at the axe head and its based on the super axe but a lot cheaper it was sourced from s/h bits and a new motor .our hardwood is totally different to the pines and firs and the like you guys have over there the splitter can be forked from the rear by means of 2 rhs tubes -either by conventional forklift or a john deere 2850 4wd with front mounted fork excellent machine in the bush and just place it down and away you go also working on a block lifter like the super axe has to preserve the old back regards to all

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

correct guys actually its around 45 tons at the axe head

At the very inner edge only. At the outer edge, where the real work is being done, you don't have anything close to that. 2FatGuys suggested 15 tons, and I agree.


EDIT: I did some measuring on your last photo. The distance from the fulcrum (the pivot point) to where the ram attaches is almost exactly the same as the distance from the front of the blade to the pivot point, so, the force you're getting at the end of the blade is the same as what the ram puts out. (~25 tons @ 2500 PSI) You're just changing its direction. Now, the force increases as you go towards the back of the blade (while the speed decreases) due to leverage. I can believe 45 or 50 tons at the very back, but that's not where the work's being done.

So, with all this cool welding work, you've got the same effective force as a conventional splitter, but applied with a much thinner blade, which will make it slice through your wood more easily. Given the size of your rounds, this looks like a very effective setup.

Useless for our wood, but probably very efficient for yours.

 

[triptester]

I used SuperAxe's idea you the log lift on the splitter I built. Works great and it is super simple and in expensive. With some scrap pipe and about $15.00 for pulley and cable I had a log lift.

These are two different splitters the one with the block is the first and the other is the fourth version. The cylinder retracts you transport.

 

[Tazman1602]

thats a wimp of a splitter and indeed guys douglas fir and the like they just soft wood use that splitter on some aussie timber like yellow/ grey box red/blue gum and watch it complain i built my splitter for local conditions and then some. it has 16hp honda , 2stage pump, 30 gpm flow and a 5 inch ram, and is built like the proverbial brick #### house has around 45 tons at the axe head and is based on hydraulic/ mechanical advantage as hoges said thats not a splitter this is a splitter regards to all steve if sombody can explain to me how to up load a jpg file ill post some photos stihl:3x090av,2x090,2xlightnings,ms880mag,066mag,046mag,2x08s,009L, 1x jred xf,2xmcculloch super 250

OK Mr. Smarty Pants. I have no need for a splitter like that nor do I have the means to lift wood that big. Believe me, for where I live, this splitter is WAY overkill..........

By the way in case you didn't know, the whole state of Michigan was logged off in the 1800's and early 1900's. We have zero "old growth" trees here.

By the way, nice splitter!