Stihl MS441CRM-Tronic Ported Work Saw Review

[MCW]

Bring on the 661C M-Tronic.

Bring on the 390XP-AT

Have you even looked at another saw since this 441 arrived or are they all feeling slightly unloved? There will be a revolt in your shed soon...
In fact my little 241C is likely to cause the same problem with my saw fleet...

 

[Stihlman441]

I put 2 tanks through the 261 yesterday,as long as the number ends in 1.:msp_wink:

 

[deye223]

Bring on the 390XP-AT

Have you even looked at another saw since this 441 arrived or are they all feeling slightly unloved? There will be a revolt in your shed soon...
In fact my little 241C is likely to cause the same problem with my saw fleet...

yea i'll take the rebels

 

[Stihlman441]

Go my Stihl 28'' ES Light bar today and put it on the scales,interesting

Stihl ES Light 28'' 1.240 kg

GB Titanium 20'' 1.272 kg

 

[Slamm]

Go my Stihl 28'' ES Light bar today and put it on the scales,interesting

Stihl ES Light 28'' 1.240 kg

GB Titanium 20'' 1.272 kg

See thats what I said, its lighter than a 20" regular bar (I wonder if a Stihl ES is heavier than a GB TI?). I got my 28" Lite bar 441 stuck in a tree and had a 441/20" nearby to cut it out. I cut the 28" out, and I had 5 trees on the ground that needed to be topped, so I set the 28"Lite bar'd saw to the side, and logically went to top with the "lighter" 20"/441, first cut was about shoulder/head high and I thought to myself this thing sucks, for the weight, I didn't have the reach. So I went back and fire'd up the 28" Lite bar'd 441. I now own 6 of those 28" Lite bars, and the dealer has 10 more coming for stock, LOL. I love them.

Like I have said before if you are in a setting where a 28" bar can make you money, you will make more with a Stihl Lite Bar they are sooooooooooooooooooooooo nice, LOL. I have yet to see another Lightweight bar that compares to the genius way that Stihl made theirs. From every angle in engineering the Stihl bar is smarter, instead of using epoxies or plastic or aluminum as a replacement for the for steel, they simply used air, yet I promise the Stihl bar is much, much stronger or more resistent to bending than any other design, simply due to there is an all steel construction and full steel construction without weakening slots or pockets of aluminum (which is a horrible choice of metal for a saw bar) or plastic.

Sam

 

[Saw Dr.]

I'm alot late to the party here, and too lazy to read the whole thread. Anyone know if Stihl is offering an upgrade kit for the standard carb 441 to convert to electronic? I have a "keeper" 441 (siezed) under my bench that has been gathering dust for a while.

 

[Slamm]

I'm alot late to the party here, and too lazy to read the whole thread. Anyone know if Stihl is offering an upgrade kit for the standard carb 441 to convert to electronic? I have a "keeper" 441 (siezed) under my bench that has been gathering dust for a while.

You can get everything needed, but the flywheel at this time. CARB, CARB Controller and throttle assembly, but you need the flywheel.

The carb, controller and throttle assembly are really cheap, don't know about the flywheel yet.

I should all me under $300 when its said and done with the flywheel.


Sam

 

[Stihlman441]

This is the filter on the 441 C on the 12th tank of fuel after cutting all sorts of wood and i have not cleaned it from new,the outer pre filter helps a bit,try doing that with ya old school saws.:msp_smile:

 

[Slamm]

This is the filter on the 441 C on the 12th tank of fuel after cutting all sorts of wood and i have not cleaned it from new,the outer pre filter helps a bit,try doing that with ya old school saws.:msp_smile:

Same here, I pulled my cover at 10ish tanks, looked at the filter and put it back on. There was just a little packed on the bottom of the HD2 and that is it.

Not life changing, but it is kinda neat and handy, LOL.

Sam

 

[Stihlman441]

See thats what I said, its lighter than a 20" regular bar (I wonder if a Stihl ES is heavier than a GB TI?). I got my 28" Lite bar 441 stuck in a tree and had a 441/20" nearby to cut it out. I cut the 28" out, and I had 5 trees on the ground that needed to be topped, so I set the 28"Lite bar'd saw to the side, and logically went to top with the "lighter" 20"/441, first cut was about shoulder/head high and I thought to myself this thing sucks, for the weight, I didn't have the reach. So I went back and fire'd up the 28" Lite bar'd 441. I now own 6 of those 28" Lite bars, and the dealer has 10 more coming for stock, LOL. I love them.

Like I have said before if you are in a setting where a 28" bar can make you money, you will make more with a Stihl Lite Bar they are sooooooooooooooooooooooo nice, LOL. I have yet to see another Lightweight bar that compares to the genius way that Stihl made theirs. From every angle in engineering the Stihl bar is smarter, instead of using epoxies or plastic or aluminum as a replacement for the for steel, they simply used air, yet I promise the Stihl bar is much, much stronger or more resistent to bending than any other design, simply due to there is an all steel construction and full steel construction without weakening slots or pockets of aluminum (which is a horrible choice of metal for a saw bar) or plastic.

Sam

I remember that pis of yours when ya had the bars stuck in the back of the quad bike for re fueling with all the weight of the saw hanging on it.

 

[MCW]

This is the filter on the 441 C on the 12th tank of fuel after cutting all sorts of wood and i have not cleaned it from new,the outer pre filter helps a bit,try doing that with ya old school saws.:msp_smile:

Many of the old school saws don't have half the filter blocking issues of the newer filter systems Andrew. They just let the dust sail straight through

 

[Stihlman441]

Many of the old school saws don't have half the filter blocking issues of the newer filter systems Andrew. They just let the dust sail straight through

Cant argue with that comment mate.

 

[Slamm]

I remember that pis of yours when ya had the bars stuck in the back of the quad bike for re fueling with all the weight of the saw hanging on it.

LOL, thats how I refuel them, if when I'm running two saws at a time. I cut with one until empty and then cut with another until empty and then stop and fill them both, I just always stuck the bars in the rack and filled them up. Provides good access and doesn't spill bar oil or gas on my ATV. Here is the photo below, I usually have them both stuck in the side of the ATV rack.

You can't do that with any other Lightweight bar multiple times each day and have it return to center, and if you can they aren't as light as the Stihl Lite bar. I wish they made them in 20" and 24", I would think people would buy them. Anyone that cries about a few ounce difference on this saw or that saw, should just jump all over Lite bars and put their money where their mouth is, because bar weight is much more fatiguing than weight between the handles of the saw.

Sam

 

[MCW]

Anyone that cries about a few ounce difference on this saw or that saw, should just jump all over Lite bars and put their money where their mouth is, because bar weight is much more fatiguing than weight between the handles of the saw.

Sam

I agree 100% Sam. In fact 150%.
Also as you're probably aware some of the so called "lightweight" bars aren't actually light!
These Stihl lightweight bars definately look the goods compared to other lightweights - are Husky mounts available?

 

[Slamm]

I agree 100% Sam. In fact 150%.
Also as you're probably aware some of the so called "lightweight" bars aren't actually light!
These Stihl lightweight bars definately look the goods compared to other lightweights - are Husky mounts available?

I think Stihl would sell quite a few of their Lite bars if they would "lower" themselves to making them with a Husky mount, because there are a lot of pro cutters that use the Huskies, and I don't see any competition in the Lite bar ranks after seeing and using this bar, their is no comparison, in either strength or weight, as can be easily seen through the way its made, its genius.

They are using a air pockets instead of slots or pockets filled with aluminum or epoxy, and they have solid steel outsides for the strength, they definiately went the path least traveled, while everyone else was slotting bars and putting aluminum/epoxy fillers in them.

Sam

 

[deye223]

Anyone that cries about a few ounce difference on this saw or that saw, should just jump all over Lite bars and put their money where their mouth is, because bar weight is much more fatiguing than weight between the handles of the saw.

Sam

this one is for saw troll haha:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Slamm]

this one is for saw troll haha:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

I had the very man in mind when I posted that, LOL. The problem is Lite bars only come in 28" and bigger, which is about double the length he likes to use, LOL.

Joking,

Sam

 

[MCW]

I think Stihl would sell quite a few of their Lite bars if they would "lower" themselves to making them with a Husky mount, because there are a lot of pro cutters that use the Huskies,

Sam

I agree but Stihl aren't known for any cross species integration or compatibility. They engineer things so that other brands CAN'T use Stihl gear

 

[deye223]

i like the balance of a 20" on me 460 and i would like a ES lite 25" and a 18" ES lite on my 260 but we can't allways get what we wont:bang:

 

[Slamm]

I agree but Stihl aren't known for any cross species integration or compatibility. They engineer things so that other brands CAN'T use Stihl gear

Well that settles it then, you will have to buy 70 and 90cc Stihls to use the Lite Bars, LOL.

They make those adaptors, but I'm not sure if they are a pain to use or not, I guess, onces its on, its on. So that adaptor can't be that big of a deal.

I used a regular ES for about a day, after using the Lite bars for several days, and well, I didn't like that experience very much, LOL. I called the dealer and asked him to keep them in stock, as if he sells one, he will sell the same person more, because they are addicting.

Sam