Support your local dealer? The argument

[woodrookie]

"I still think that you need to help out your local Dolmar dealer and make a friend. If all you do is bash him then you will never have a local guy to help with your saw. You are so quick to bash the local dealer and to drop them because they dont carry a winter oil that you may pass up something good!"


Your right, I will give this second place another try for something else. I guess I do have high standards, I deal with the public in my job and try to give the best job I can. When I buy something I try to learn all about it and maintain it best I can so I am a bit picky. :biggrinbounce2:

 

[PES+]

Another innovaton exclusive to Stihl!!

When your design pretty much assures exhaust leaking from everywhere in your muffler and leaving black crud all over the saws oil tank tell all your dealers that it is a "Built in heating feature"

I am indeed pissing myself on this one:jawdrop:

 

[Lakeside53]

"Back to your thread O.K., so for you winter oil is an issue, but how about a few other criteria to judge dealers?"

Just a question. After reading post after post on this site to not run summer oil in the winter unless you want to be replacing bars sooner then necessary, .

All I can say if be careful what you read anywhere... and my posts are no exception

..bar wear isn't something that mysterously "just happens". It's noticeable and progressive - shoulder wear, burrs, burning etc. if you don't see it, it's not happening... And oil consumptions a really good gauge - if you saw is still using a decent amount of oil for a tank of gas, it's lubing fine...

I have has a gallon of winter weight for over 10 years.. most of it is still in the container, and my bars are in fine shape. And in about 30 miniutes I'm going to knock the ice off my saws, and get cutting, once the sun gets to where I'm working.

 

[bump_r]

Ok, Stihl offers winter grade bar oil - apparently THEY see a need to use it. Perhaps woodsrookie read his manual, the Stihl website or SOMEWHERE that this stuff exists, and that it should be used in certain temperature ranges. I would not fault him in the least for expecting his dealer to carry a Stihl product that Stihl produces and that Stihl recommends he use in his Stihl saw. These are not unrealistic expectatios in the least. Especially in friggin' MICHIGAN! It's cold in Michigan right now.

What a guy reads on the 'net does not carry much weight in the real world when real problems crop up with real saws. We can bench race all we want to, but in the end, this innerweb thing is NOT the end-all to real-world issues. I'm sure that in Stihl's eyes, their literature takes precedence over anytyhing typed here. Good on woodsrookie for recognizing what Stihl said he should be using and going to his dealer to get it. Bad on the dealer for not supporting his market.

I think I'm one of the more pro-dealer guys around, but I, too, would be put off by a dealer who didn't stock what is apparently the correct materials to support a saw I bought from him. Waht if your dealer stocked just one type of mix oil? Should not YOU have the choice of shich one to buy and use? Shy is bar oil any different? "You need what I SAY you need!" is B.S.

 

[Lakeside53]

Another innovaton exclusive to Stihl!!

When your design pretty much assures exhaust leaking from everywhere in your muffler and leaving black crud all over the saws oil tank tell all your dealers that it is a "Built in heating feature"

I am indeed pissing myself on this one:jawdrop:

You need to work on saws less than 25 years old

 

[manual]

Nope.. not those with plastic tanks isolated from the crankcase...

That would be a problem.

 

[PES+]

EVERY Stihl that I work on.including brand new ones have leaky exhausts and make the front of the saw look like the tar pits.

Now.....I would like to bring up a technical point. If Stihl is indeed going to implement strato charging in all saws by 2010 why in the @#$% are they also developing the feedback carb for saw use? the two are counter productive you go one way or the other....

 

[PES+]

BTW folks....the crankcase is the COOLEST part of a 2-stroke in operation

 

[manual]

BTW folks....the crankcase is the COOLEST part of a 2-stroke in operation

Ok, I agree, the bar lube does absorb heat. Now I am going to have to take a thermometer with me to the woods and see how warm the bar lube gets.

 

[PES+]

Build and extension for the muffler so there is no direct contact with the chain oil tank and see. The heat does indeed come from the muffler and any working with a new cat muffler will show this.
I am still wondering who makes a saw with a seperate plastic oil tank.....all of the plastic crankcase saws I have seen mold the tank into the case. The Super 2 did have a seperate tank but it was a design oddity.

and summer weight bar oil usually IS 30wt viscosity index so I don't see how that would thin the oil

 

[stckciv]

Ok, Stihl offers winter grade bar oil - apparently THEY see a need to use it. Perhaps woodsrookie read his manual, the Stihl website or SOMEWHERE that this stuff exists, and that it should be used in certain temperature ranges. I would not fault him in the least for expecting his dealer to carry a Stihl product that Stihl produces and that Stihl recommends he use in his Stihl saw. These are not unrealistic expectatios in the least. Especially in friggin' MICHIGAN! It's cold in Michigan right now.

What a guy reads on the 'net does not carry much weight in the real world when real problems crop up with real saws. We can bench race all we want to, but in the end, this innerweb thing is NOT the end-all to real-world issues. I'm sure that in Stihl's eyes, their literature takes precedence over anytyhing typed here. Good on woodsrookie for recognizing what Stihl said he should be using and going to his dealer to get it. Bad on the dealer for not supporting his market.

I think I'm one of the more pro-dealer guys around, but I, too, would be put off by a dealer who didn't stock what is apparently the correct materials to support a saw I bought from him. Waht if your dealer stocked just one type of mix oil? Should not YOU have the choice of shich one to buy and use? Shy is bar oil any different? "You need what I SAY you need!" is B.S.

He didnt buy a Stihl, he bought a Dolmar from the net/mailorder, then went to a local Stihl dealer to get the oil he heard he should be using from this forum.

 

[Unclez]

My local dealer is the only Husky dealer within 75 miles of me and he knows it and tries using that fact to his advantage. He believes he can charge what he wants and order parts whenever he feels like it. He puts on like he could care less if you bought from him or not. That BS may have worked 15 years ago but not now. Not as long as I have the NET and UPS.

 

[WRW]

Ok, Stihl offers winter grade bar oil - apparently THEY see a need to use it. Perhaps woodsrookie read his manual, the Stihl website or SOMEWHERE that this stuff exists, and that it should be used in certain temperature ranges. I would not fault him in the least for expecting his dealer to carry a Stihl product that Stihl produces and that Stihl recommends he use in his Stihl saw. These are not unrealistic expectatios in the least. Especially in friggin' MICHIGAN! It's cold in Michigan right now.

What a guy reads on the 'net does not carry much weight in the real world when real problems crop up with real saws. We can bench race all we want to, but in the end, this innerweb thing is NOT the end-all to real-world issues. I'm sure that in Stihl's eyes, their literature takes precedence over anytyhing typed here. Good on woodsrookie for recognizing what Stihl said he should be using and going to his dealer to get it. Bad on the dealer for not supporting his market.

I think I'm one of the more pro-dealer guys around, but I, too, would be put off by a dealer who didn't stock what is apparently the correct materials to support a saw I bought from him. Waht if your dealer stocked just one type of mix oil? Should not YOU have the choice of shich one to buy and use? Shy is bar oil any different? "You need what I SAY you need!" is B.S.

Umm...he bought a Dolmar.
He read HERE that he should use a winter bar oil.
The Stihl literature I have here says to use Stihl environmentally friendly oil...or in an emergency to use single grade/multi grade motor oil appropriate for the weather. Nothing about summer/winter blends.

 

[Lakeside53]

Build and extension for the muffler so there is no direct contact with the chain oil tank and see. The heat does indeed come from the muffler and any working with a new cat muffler will show this.
I am still wondering who makes a saw with a seperate plastic oil tank.....all of the plastic crankcase saws I have seen mold the tank into the case. The Super 2 did have a seperate tank but it was a design oddity.

and summer weight bar oil usually IS 30wt viscosity index so I don't see how that would thin the oil

Separate oil tank from the CRANKCASE... 029 for one of many examples from just one manf. Not much heat gets absorbed by the oil though the plastic from either the crankcase or the muffler in this case...

And if you are getting really picky, how about an 191 (one of a few)? Totally separate oil tank.

Yes, heat does come from the muffler, but have you also seen the heat reflectors beneath the stihl mufflers?

 

[Marco]

Dolmar had a separate tank on previous models

 

[PES+]

Umm...he bought a Dolmar.
He read HERE that he should use a winter bar oil.
The Stihl literature I have here says to use Stihl environmentally friendly oil...or in an emergency to use single grade/multi grade motor oil appropriate for the weather. Nothing about summer/winter blends.

Yup....enviro oil....canola like from wal-mart @ over 30 a gallon.....:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[manual]

Build and extension for the muffler so there is no direct contact with the chain oil tank and see. The heat does indeed come from the muffler and any working with a new cat muffler will show this.
I am still wondering who makes a saw with a seperate plastic oil tank.....all of the plastic crankcase saws I have seen mold the tank into the case. The Super 2 did have a seperate tank but it was a design oddity.

and summer weight bar oil usually IS 30wt viscosity index so I don't see how that would thin the oil

SPAANNK MEE, Don't Know maybe the 30wt cuts down on the sticky stuff.

 

[WRW]

Yup....enviro oil....canola like from wal-mart @ over 30 a gallon.....:hmm3grin2orange:

I didn't say I use it...though some would just because it is written.

 

[bwalker]

You need to work on saws less than 25 years old

The ms 260 is the only current model that has a sieve like muffler. Yet another reason that saw is less than desirable IMO.

 

[Lakeside53]

EVERY Stihl that I work on.including brand new ones have leaky exhausts and make the front of the saw look like the tar pits.

I see some, but if it is leaking from the back, that's usually because the last guy didn't replace the crushable exhaust gasket with a NEW gasket each time the muffer is taken off (guilty)... and this is definitely not limited to stihl saws.

Now.....I would like to bring up a technical point. If Stihl is indeed going to implement strato charging in all saws by 2010 why in the @#$% are they also developing the feedback carb for saw use? the two are counter productive you go one way or the other....

Phased EPA requirements... 2007 start this year... and who says you go one way or the other? Even strato-charging doesn not meet the ultimate EPA requirements...