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I support my local Husky/Stihl (yes they sell both) dealer 100%, when it comes to chainsaws, parts, service etc. TOP NOTCH people and service!

HOWEVER, when it comes to treeclimbing gear (by the way the chainsaw dealer does'nt carry this stuff...) , both pro and rec, I'll be damnned if i;m going to support the only arborist dealer in the LowerMainland, BC. PRICE GOUGING BEYOND BELIEF.

example. Petzl FIXE micropulley $50 CDN at the arb store. $24 CDN bucks at a climbing store.

120 feet arbor plex $150 CDN $ at local arb shop, $69 USD + 5 bucks duties and 5 shippign from Baileys.

BASHLIN x saddle $575 CDN at local arb shop, $250 CDn back east (ontario)

RIPOFF RIPOFF RIPOFF! I will not spend another dime there.

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this is a perfect example of when not to support your local dealer.

they need to be competitive and have pricing within reason. if an online dealer can offer X price. local dealer can purchase close to same costs. they may not get the same pricing discount as larger companies, but it will be close. not double!

I maintain local companies don't need to be cheapest on everything. but when local folks try to charge 2x-3x online dealers.

this is where I will order online instead of supporting my local dealer. and I always will go out of my way to support local dealer.

I support my local Husky/Stihl (yes they sell both) dealer 100%, when it comes to chainsaws, parts, service etc. TOP NOTCH people and service!

HOWEVER, when it comes to treeclimbing gear (by the way the chainsaw dealer does'nt carry this stuff...) , both pro and rec, I'll be damnned if i;m going to support the only arborist dealer in the LowerMainland, BC. PRICE GOUGING BEYOND BELIEF.

example. Petzl FIXE micropulley $50 CDN at the arb store. $24 CDN bucks at a climbing store.

120 feet arbor plex $150 CDN $ at local arb shop, $69 USD + 5 bucks duties and 5 shippign from Baileys.

BASHLIN x saddle $575 CDN at local arb shop, $250 CDn back east (ontario)

RIPOFF RIPOFF RIPOFF! I will not spend another dime there.

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Since this thread was, I believe, on winter bar oil does echo make winter bar oil? My local dealer said they do not make it and the normal stuff is just fine. I believed him and bought it. I never even heard of winter bar oil until this site. Then I find out he is a Dolmar dealer!!! You would never know going into the place. No signs or saws anywhere. He mostly does small engine stuff but what the hell!! I ordered a 372 from baileys awhile back and then all this dolmar hotrod stuff starts going around. I'm curious about the closest dealer and look it up on the net. Yep, two miles down the road is a dolmar dealer. It's too bad too, I likely would have bought from him.
 
Since this thread was, I believe, on winter bar oil does echo make winter bar oil?

sorry, i was going by the title "Suport your local dealer - the argument", hence my post about supporting my local chainsaw dealer (but not the arborist supply dealer)
 
Since this thread was, I believe, on winter bar oil does echo make winter bar oil? My local dealer said they do not make it and the normal stuff is just fine. I believed him and bought it. I never even heard of winter bar oil until this site. Then I find out he is a Dolmar dealer!!! You would never know going into the place. No signs or saws anywhere. He mostly does small engine stuff but what the hell!! I ordered a 372 from baileys awhile back and then all this dolmar hotrod stuff starts going around. I'm curious about the closest dealer and look it up on the net. Yep, two miles down the road is a dolmar dealer. It's too bad too, I likely would have bought from him.

Dude... there is like 4,125 threads on bar oil... check 'em out.:bang:

Gary
 
I support my local dealer when I can/have too. Meaning I need a a new chain for the weekend or something along those lines. My Stihl dealer is a Stihl dealer after he is a Deere, X-mark, redmax, and Echo dealer. I have bought chains there, but when I tried to get a new scabbard for my longer bar, that I also bought there, they would have to order it! Come on, it's a 20" scabbard and it's not in stock. They did have the throttle control for my 15 year old deere lawn tractor. And this place is not hurting for business....the showroom is nicer than alot of car dealerships!! Unfortunatley the Stihl dealer (also a deere dealer) that I prefer to go to is further from home and further from work, so I don't give them as much business as I should.
I believe in supporting my dealer, but I also think they should be support me also with reasonable prices and part availability. $80 for a tune up is a bit pricey, especially when all I really needed was the carb fine tuned, but they had a "menu" of options and a carb tuning was part of the tune up, so that is what they would have to charge. I know everyone needs to make a living, and not every place can carry every part in stock. I actually went in twice for the scabbard and both times they said they could order it, and actually they needed to order a few to keep on hand. Either the order was never placed, or there was a run on them.
 
Our Stihl distributor sells the oil differently than the regular parts, you have
to order a pallet load, otherwise you pay more for shipping, than the oil.
So the oil is ordered when the store makes a saw order {spring or fall order, etc}, so that is the only time one would choose to try a case or two of
winter bar oil. Since it is a real slow moving item, it rarely gets ordered at all.
 
I explained in a previous post my search for the right saw for me and my desire to at east give someone local a chance. As I said, I knew more about the Dolmar 5100s then the local Dolmar dealer, he never hand one in the shop, and was glad to order one for me for $410.00. Okay fine, but why should I pay $410 for a saw from a guy who has never worked on one before, just so I have a local shop to cover the warranty? So I continued looking and found one online new for $335.00 and bought it.
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I just hope your local dealer will still work on your saw after buying it elsewhere. Sooner or later you will need to take it in for at least a carb adjustment. Unless you buy the special tools or trash the limiter caps (voiding the warranty) you will be seeing him.

Ed
 
I support local dealers whenever possible. I do alot of online purchasing for other obcessions, but I still ENJOY going into one of my favorite saw shops for the little things. New saw purchases, always a real saw shop, always. I want pick that baby up, fiddle with the controls, pull things apart, re-assemble and most importantly I want to run that baby before I bring 'er home. Just like an automobile, they all come off the same assembly line but how many do not test drive that car first? And I mean the very car/truck you actually purchase, because even with best quality control there are variances between units occaisionally. But that's just me.

Now I will admit there is a huge difference between some authorized dealers and saw shops. The guy that sells a little of everything from Agricultural, lawn & garden and landscaping equipment, and happens to be chainsaw dealer may not (I said MAY) have the same focus on the chainsaw line as the back woods saw shop down the road. It is simple economics, if he sells 100 CUTs, 200 lawnmowers and whole S- load of weed wackers, blowers and such but only sells the occaisional chainsaw don't be surprised if that's not the focus of his establishment. I still find it amazing guys ripping a dealer because he is out of stock on one particular item. While frustrating, it is certainly acceptable in my book to not have EVERYTHING imaginable in stock at all times. Realize for them it is tough to anticipate exactly what to stock on the shelves that is going to SELL and not sit around for years getting dusty(read: loss of profit). Also, items do sell out and hopefully do once in a while if a dealer is being successful. I'm not in retail, but the wife is, so I have a tad bit of insight. I myself prefer a saw shop for chainsaw stuff. This is the guy that deals primarily with loggers, tree guys, municipalities, utillity co., etc... I don't expect the world the first time in the door, but after spending some of my hard earned $$ there and time with the owners I usually obtain superior service. I have had techs drop what they were working on to administer an emergency fix to get me back up running. Pull parts off a new saw and generally give me a quality of service unattainable online or mail order.

That all being said, I am not opposed to online/mail order purchasing, it's capitalism and competition is a good thing. I have bought some parts online and of course out of catalogs. But if it all possible and the most convenient, I will drop my $$ in my local shop, I personally like it there. The new order of things have put a lot of the small mom & pop shops out of business over the years, especially in the boonies (these were the GOOD shops). Anything I can do to stem this trend and help a little guy thrive in his business is a good thing. My .02, that and $14 will get a 12pk of Guiness guenuine stout.:D
 
When I was looking for a saw the local Husky dealer had a 353 for $10 more than Lowes was selling a 350 for. The local Shindaiwa dealer was also discounting the saws. Both of them are mostly lawn & garden oriented & I think they wanted a sale. I ended up with the Shin 488 from the local guy. I'd have looked at a Stihl but the local dealer has an attitude problem.

And if I think the bar oil is too thick I mix a little ATF in.
 
The OPE dealer today has only one thing to offer and that is service... A good OPE dealer will go out of their way to adapt to the customer if they know what the customer expects. Their existence relies this level of service.
We can say that is true of nearly ALL dealers of sophisticated pieces of equipment. Pause for a moment and remember what things were like before the widespread use of the internet. Information and distribution were both tightly controlled, so the dealer was operating in a protected environment. The internet has changed all that by blurring and even eliminating the lines between manufacturers, distributors, retailers, and the consumer. The smart end user can take advantage of that and not only save 20-25% on the purchase of the saw, but learn how to maintain and fix it too.

So I agree; the dealer's main offering is service to those who want and need it. Without that, their chances of survival are slim to none.
 
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The smart end user can take advantage of that and not only save 20-25% on the purchase of the saw, but learn how to maintain and fix it too.

So true. I not only bought my saw from a guy here, but when I had a hard time starting it (I was flooding it) the guys here helped me out! So if a local shop does not provide good service they are SOL.
 
If I may climb up on my soap box again................

I've seen many dealers close up over the years, but regardless of who they would like to blame, I can't think of ONE who was "put of of business" by either the internet, or the box stores. The reasons for them going out are varied and many. Burnout-loss of enthusiasm, is very common. Second generation ownership that doesn't know the meaning of work, poor financial management, too many new trucks and showcase buildings, A guy who is great in the shop but doesn't know how to manage a business, having the rug pulled out from under you by a manufacturer, (as is the case with many John Deere dealers right now), refusal to change, refusal to vacuum the carpet, the list is endless.

But while the internet may change the rules, there is no reason to be out of the game. The idea that "you can't compete" is for people with a "surrender" mentality, or for people who are simply ignorant of what is happening around them.

The ability of AS members to do there own work is not an accurate picture of Joe Public, who generally need the help that a dealer can provide. There is another thread from a guy who was all excited to come home and find his new 345 on the porch. I was thinking of posting as to whether or not the UPS guy set it up, adjusted the acceleration, tached the RPM's, and filled out the warranty card for him, but why sling mud on the guys fun?

We have charted our own course, and we don't care what Baileys, or Home Depot is doing. We cater our business to the more serious equipment user. Mostly working guys who are familiar with equipment. Not just loggers and landscapers, but guys who know what equipment is because they've had it in their hands before. Cops, lawyers, electricians, whatever. Or at least people who have the willingness to ask questions and learn, rather than acting like they know everything. We have no interest, and little patience for box store geeks, and people who think that a subscription to Consumer Reports means that they are informed. Let them stay in the box stores.

I need to expand on a point that ADKRANGER made. (and if your ever down this way, I'll have a pint with you) Just because a store has the Stihl or Husky sign up, doesn't mean that they will be as focused on the saw biz as most AS members would expect. Don't forget that both brands have about the first 10 pages of their catelogs devoted to saws, and a heck of a lot of other pages of other stuff. They are pretty much both guilty of squeezing out the "saw shop" in favor of dealers who can sell the whole catelog. I know a few dealers of each brand who only stock the smaller saws, and have no pro market to speak of. Why filp out and whine when you run into one of these stores? Maybe there simply isn't enough saw business to warrant much of an effort on their part. If there is, then the rule about having the willingness to learn about it applys to them.

Another thing that some dealers are guilty of is that they really aren't comforable with serious equipment users. Some dealers don't want to deal with "demanding" pros, who need their equipment right away. Some dealers would rather deal with ignorant consumers, instead of guys who may know more about the equipment than they do. Not every dealer wants a bunch of guys coming out of the woods at the end of the day dropping saw chips on the floor and using salty language in the showroom. We look forward to it. Those guys are our regulars and we have a lot of fun with them. What's the big deal if I have to get out the vacuum in the morning?

We are a huge Exmark dealer, but we also have a great deal of enthusiasm for the saw biz. So, we have the "saw shop" thing down pretty good, although in a larger setting.

The formula is really pretty simple. We take care of our customers and they take care of us.
 
If I may climb up on my soap box again................

I've seen many dealers close up over the years, but regardless of who they would like to blame, I can't think of ONE who was "put of of business" by either the internet, or the box stores. The reasons for them going out are varied and many. Burnout-loss of enthusiasm, is very common. Second generation ownership that doesn't know the meaning of work, poor financial management, too many new trucks and showcase buildings, A guy who is great in the shop but doesn't know how to manage a business, having the rug pulled out from under you by a manufacturer, (as is the case with many John Deere dealers right now), refusal to change, refusal to vacuum the carpet, the list is endless.

But while the internet may change the rules, there is no reason to be out of the game. The idea that "you can't compete" is for people with a "surrender" mentality, or for people who are simply ignorant of what is happening around them.

The ability of AS members to do there own work is not an accurate picture of Joe Public, who generally need the help that a dealer can provide. There is another thread from a guy who was all excited to come home and find his new 345 on the porch. I was thinking of posting as to whether or not the UPS guy set it up, adjusted the acceleration, tached the RPM's, and filled out the warranty card for him, but why sling mud on the guys fun?

We have charted our own course, and we don't care what Baileys, or Home Depot is doing. We cater our business to the more serious equipment user. Mostly working guys who are familiar with equipment. Not just loggers and landscapers, but guys who know what equipment is because they've had it in their hands before. Cops, lawyers, electricians, whatever. Or at least people who have the willingness to ask questions and learn, rather than acting like they know everything. We have no interest, and little patience for box store geeks, and people who think that a subscription to Consumer Reports means that they are informed. Let them stay in the box stores.

I need to expand on a point that ADKRANGER made. (and if your ever down this way, I'll have a pint with you) Just because a store has the Stihl or Husky sign up, doesn't mean that they will be as focused on the saw biz as most AS members would expect. Don't forget that both brands have about the first 10 pages of their catelogs devoted to saws, and a heck of a lot of other pages of other stuff. They are pretty much both guilty of squeezing out the "saw shop" in favor of dealers who can sell the whole catelog. I know a few dealers of each brand who only stock the smaller saws, and have no pro market to speak of. Why filp out and whine when you run into one of these stores? Maybe there simply isn't enough saw business to warrant much of an effort on their part. If there is, then the rule about having the willingness to learn about it applys to them.

Another thing that some dealers are guilty of is that they really aren't comforable with serious equipment users. Some dealers don't want to deal with "demanding" pros, who need their equipment right away. Some dealers would rather deal with ignorant consumers, instead of guys who may know more about the equipment than they do. Not every dealer wants a bunch of guys coming out of the woods at the end of the day dropping saw chips on the floor and using salty language in the showroom. We look forward to it. Those guys are our regulars and we have a lot of fun with them. What's the big deal if I have to get out the vacuum in the morning?

We are a huge Exmark dealer, but we also have a great deal of enthusiasm for the saw biz. So, we have the "saw shop" thing down pretty good, although in a larger setting.

The formula is really pretty simple. We take care of our customers and they take care of us.

Good post Spike. I like the guys that come in cussing and having fun. I usually say clean ya dayumm feet will ya,LOL. Kinder Care is not at the saw shop, sorry, thats across town. Simple as that..
 
Another innovaton exclusive to Stihl!!

When your design pretty much assures exhaust leaking from everywhere in your muffler and leaving black crud all over the saws oil tank tell all your dealers that it is a "Built in heating feature"

I am indeed pissing myself on this one:jawdrop:

I have three stihls and have multiple friends with stihls and have yet to see this tar pit feature. My oldest stihl 032 is 20 years old my 044 is 13 years old when does this leak start? Sounds like some one has a major grudge.
 
But while the internet may change the rules, there is no reason to be out of the game. The idea that "you can't compete" is for people with a "surrender" mentality, or for people who are simply ignorant of what is happening around them.

I agree, and I didn't write what I did only from the perspective of a customer. I have a foot firmly on both sides of the fence. Though I often buy online, I am a retailer (different product), I service what I sell, and went through the same "internet squeeze" 7-8 years ago. You either adapt to play a role in the new environment, or you go out of business. I don't cater to customers who basically can take care of themselves, because I can't make a living doing that. But there are alot of those folks in every market and when one of them calls me I kindly refer them to eBay and wish them well.

The formula is really pretty simple. We take care of our customers and they take care of us.

That's it.
 
Not very many places can support a dedicated "saw" shop. My local dealer is a "saw" shop. They also sell splitters, snow throwers and trimmers but primarily saws both Stihl and Husky. The shop has a sister shop down the hill. That's where you go if you want a lawnmower, yard tractor etc. The saw shop couldn't exist in a more metropolitan area. Around here most people burn wood and a lot of people cut their own. There is also a lumber mill down the road. This means lots of pros and lots of consumers using saws, buying saws and getting saws serviced. If you are looking for a good dealer focused on saws, look for an area where people do a lot of cutting.

I like giving the local guy my business. When I bought my 350 I didn't even shop around. The local dealer was so helpful when I was buying I figured I was getting more than my money's worth. Later on I saw the same 350 at Lowes for the same price! For the same price I got to handle a dozen different Stihls and Huskys and learn what the differences are. I also learned about the differences in chains and bought three loops of Oregon LP at their cost. Sure cuts better than the safety chain it came with! Later on the oil pump stopped pumping, took it to the local shop and they repaired it under warranty and did it in three days. Service like that builds customer loyalty like nothing else.

Brad
 

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