Teaching a new climber

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Youse guys are in a different world, no wife, no kids, no assets. For you'all insurance is a burden, for all else, it's peace of mind.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Yup.

Check my sig.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

It may be because I'm jealous, but I think you are the anti-christ.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Nah, I'm pretty much the anti-nothing.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

Yeah, and he don't care about apathy neither!:Eye:

 

[MasterBlaster]

It all follows the Zen thinking...

We are nothing, yet we are everything.

It's all in your perspective.

 

[BigJohn]

I follow confusious, he who goes to bed with stiff problem wakes up with solution in hand

 

[xtremetrees]

I think its important the ethics of the person you teach.
I trained one last couple years now he is a big shot and called in by several companies. Just the mentality of it all fits him well.TD pays him fair

My new recruit just this week recvied his gear from sherrill. Ive tried to talk him out of the job of climbing, no luck.

 

[xtremetrees]

We bid a 2800 yard was 11 pines. I finally told him when he asked if the price for cut and leave was enuff, dude ive climbed that many trees for less than 80 bucks for years.
I read it here, " ive got no business cutting anothers mans trees anyway."
Why rob him of the great confidence a smooth TD gives.
Once I did not correct wrong instruction from the owner to the newbie, he fell onto his feet with a thwack next to me. I fail him.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Limb,

Did you and your newbie come to the RMC-TCC on Saturday? If not, you missed one of the best ways to show him how to climb. There were 33 climbers in the competition.

Understanding the chain of command and accepting it are two different things. Giving him a reason for progressive learning is better than "because I say so".

Tom

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Tom; I wanted to go and compete in a bad way, but I did not get my registration and entry fees paid by the 4th, so I missed out. We were wanting to go and watch, but we were slammed with work here and actually had to work all day yesterday. I guess sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do, when it comes to working. Im trying to save up for a new chipper, and I a lot of work to get done. not only as a sub, but also with my own show.
Which is another reason I want to get this guy trained up. We are now talking about forming a partnership out of the company and flying with him as the co pilot.

What were some of the times and scores at the comp? Im wondering if I would have been competitive in the foot lock or body thrust. Did ya get any pics of the comp?????

Kenn:Monkey:

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I have no clue about scores. Charley Wagner did the footlock in 12.5 but I don't know if that was 40' or the new metric height.

Taking time out of production to learn makes a lot of sense. Even if it "costs" a day of work, think of how much you could have learned by watching and networking. You would make up the "time" later on being more effecient.

There'll be more trainings later on in the year.

Tom

 

[OutOnaLimb]

True, It wasnt so much starting a new job yesterday as it was finnishing up one from Friday. We took a big elm down that had busted and was on the neighbors house. The home owner wanted to get it done as soon as possible.

I have him taking the Arbor Master course this fall though.

12.5 On a 40 ft foot lock? Thats pretty quick. I thought it was 50ft though.

Kenn

 

[Stumper]

Tom, I never got the details and decided to spend the day making bids and doing a consultation,(plus servicing equipment-a typical "day off" where I only worked 7 hours )
Please keep us informed about future meets. I have no desire to compete but I would like to watch and learn.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I am a proponent of them learning the most basic methods first (well maybe not a bo'lin saddle) before advancing on. TL on a fixed tail, tied to the saddle. That way they have a minimum of connection points to worry about and know what to do if they drop a tress cord or carabiner. (Right Brandon?)

As for working with a chiansaw in the tree, I think if they learn to cut with the handsaw, then they will learn to look for proper cuts more then going for the one big cut.

I can remember being a new climber and going for the big cut vs several small ones because it made my production faster.

 

[taznleo1]

I hope I don't open up a can of worms with this one. But I am a newbie to the forum and still reading. But I wanted to add my story. I have been climbing off and on for about 15 years. Mostly weekend work for myself. When I started out in trees, I worked for a local tree company as a groundsman, dragging brush for $6.36 an hour, I watch the climbers and the bucket man. Talked to them and tried to learn as much as I could. I learned that a "C" class climber was making about double of what I was making and a "A" class climber was making three times more than that. Of course, I saw dollar $$ signs. Asked a two climbers to teach me how to climb. After work one day they took me into the woods, told me to strap on the spikes, taught me how to tie a blake's hitch and told me to climb the tree.
I got about 35 feet off the ground and they told me to tie off. I did. Then they asked me if I was ready, before I questioned them, "Ready for what" they grabbed the rope and pulled me away from the tree. They taught me that I needed to trust my knot tying skills and not to be afraid of heights.
I have done tree work ever since, not on a regular basis. But when friends and family ask for help, I help them out. I have gotten some work from the word of mouth. But I know what I am capable of and I am man enough to say I can't handle a job. And advise them to call someone more qualified.

 

[Nathan Wreyford]

Originally posted by taznleo1
After work one day they took me into the woods, told me to strap on the spikes, taught me how to tie a blake's hitch and told me to climb the tree.
I got about 35 feet off the ground and they told me to tie off. I did. Then they asked me if I was ready, before I questioned them, "Ready for what" they grabbed the rope and pulled me away from the tree. They taught me that I needed to trust my knot tying skills and not to be afraid of heights.

Who was holding your beer when this sounded like a good idea

 

[a_lopa]

its a hard one,so many variables,bucket guys generally make good climbers if there keen,they at least generally know what to do/easiest way when they get there.i think there is a shortage of good young guys.doing it day in day out/repetative stuff although dangerous its benificial as long as you live that long .the real gun climbers seem to come from smaller co's with no buckets.

 

[taznleo1]

Originally posted by Nathan Wreyford
Who was holding your beer when this sounded like a good idea

Didn't know they were going to do it. But I am kinda glad they did. It set my mind at ease. Knowing that if the rope is tied right then it will be my best friend. I double and triple check that rope everytime I tie off and before I unbuckle my lanyards.

 

[Nathan Wreyford]

Just teasing you a bit.

For learning, the general rule is slow and go. Then go up.