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It is with regret that I must inform that the 3120 I have in my possession may be leaving Casa di Rick.


The owner has finally appeared and we appear to have diametrically opposed views on what it's worth.

He seems to be basing an asking price on;

a) it actually runs
b) someone is interested, so the price has gone up from what it was three years ago
c) what a new one is worth here in Oz

I'm basing my offer on;

a) Neil told me what it's worth :D

based on;

a) It's a '96 model and has done a shedload of ripping
b) needs new chain brake handle at a minimum, maybe the entire assembly
c) needs a new kill switch and wiring sorted (have to choke to stop)
d) aux. oiler is jammed/cactus
e) bar stud is loose and falls into oil tank
f) needs new caps
g) needs new air cleaner, air cleaner top cover and seals
h) needs carby gaskets (all are currently home made)
i) needs new AV rubbers
j) basically needs a bloody good going through, maybe a new ring (bore looks OK) and at the end of the season I'd strip and re-furb it anyway.

There were a few other things but can't remember ATM.

Owner reckons it's fine as it runs and cuts and really worth it as a new one is worth $2700 !


We'll see where this ends up but I won't be too disappointed if I have to let it go, at least I still have it here to help finish blocking up the butt section of a tree this weekend :D


Don't worry about it Rick, if he wants too much let him have it. I can get you another one, they are around. I just this week sold off 3 084's to one of our race mates. I am expecting another 084 soon.
If you are in the game, these items appear, some times a wait is required but appear they will.
 
Don't worry about it Rick, if he wants too much let him have it. I can get you another one, they are around. I just this week sold off 3 084's to one of our race mates. I am expecting another 084 soon.
If you are in the game, these items appear, some times a wait is required but appear they will.

Did someone mention big bore stihl's... Hook a brother up next time Neil if you don't mind cheers :msp_smile:
 
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Don't worry about it Rick, if he wants too much let him have it. I can get you another one, they are around. I just this week sold off 3 084's to one of our race mates. I am expecting another 084 soon.
If you are in the game, these items appear, some times a wait is required but appear they will.

Not worried at all Neil, one door closes and usually smacks me in the mouth as they've seen me coming :msp_unsure:

Oh, hang on, no it's supposed to be one closes and another opens, isn't it :D

About to head out and beat the rain, been doing a/c measure ups and fixing a ducted system so far today.
I think the poor buggers will be in for a shock after replacing two DC fan motors and a main power board in a 14kw Daikin system.
I should post up the instructions for installing a capacity resistor on the new board too, obviously an add on to prevent what's happened to this one. It's all in Japanese and totally wrong anyway :laugh:

Smart phones are bloody useful.

Take a photo of these big PC boards before starting so you know where all the plugs and wires go for when you slip the new one in.
Saves a lot of second guessing, referring to wiring diagrams and wire tracing.
 
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thats so sad


any hoo a $ idea pay it forward or me later

Can the radiator heat exchanger thingy that sheds off heat back of your fridge be easily plumbed ducted away to be in a cooler or better air movement site eg under the house floor or outside shaded wall so it can cool more efficiently rather than on hot days working motor overtime and heating up my kitchen aswell. seems stupid to cool inside a white box while heating up your house.

so design a heat exchanger that can fitted away from a fridge to reap efficiency of shedding waste heat via lower air temperatures or even better find a way to reuse that waste heat like heat water or ??

Will reply to this properly later, complete with photo's but hate to tell you you're about 100 years too late mate, sorry ;)
 
Smart phones are bloody useful.

Take a photo of these big PC boards before starting so you know where all the plugs and wires go for when you slip the new one in.
Saves a lot of second guessing, referring to wiring diagrams and wire tracing.

The same thing crossed my mind before, taking photos of oil filter numbers and ID plates. Using a pen is sooo yesterday...


(until the phone dies) :msp_unsure:


But in saying that they are surprisingly well built these days.
 
thats so sad


any hoo a $ idea pay it forward or me later

Can the radiator heat exchanger thingy that sheds off heat back of your fridge be easily plumbed ducted away to be in a cooler or better air movement site eg under the house floor or outside shaded wall so it can cool more efficiently rather than on hot days working motor overtime and heating up my kitchen aswell. seems stupid to cool inside a white box while heating up your house.

so design a heat exchanger that can fitted away from a fridge to reap efficiency of shedding waste heat via lower air temperatures or even better find a way to reuse that waste heat like heat water or ??

OK, it's starting to sprinkle so I'm back as I'm scared I'll shrink in the rain :monkey:

Most built up commercial and all industrial refrigeration systems are made so that the 'condenser' is either outside in ambient air or somewhere where it uses a secondary coolant such as water, pumped away and cooled via evaporation via a cooling tower, as you see on building rooftops.

Large systems in particular use the rejected 'waste heat' for water heating or various other processes in industrial refrigeration and commercial air conditioning.
A lot of the dairy farm ice bank systems do this too as a supplement to the gas/electric hot water system.

It's just not cost effective in a domestic fridge, no one would pay the cost to do utilise the rejected heat and people want a semi-portable appliance, not necessarily built in too.

Small unitised systems such as your photo above are used just to fill a convenient spot, or where it isn't easy, desirable or possible (from a $ POV) to pipe and wire a stand alone unit outside, eg a small shop inside a large existing shopping centre.

Without getting technical, it can be a tricky design and installation exercise to sometimes pipe a unit outside.
The small supermarket I used as an example a few posts above installed a deli display and fresh produce display at the front of the shop, and I was able to convince them to install the condensing units (compressors and condensers) outside in the plant area at the back of the shop.
This required a pipe run of 48m for the deli fridge and 44m or so for the produce display, rising two stories and back down to ground level.
Without boring you too much, a refrigeration system is a closed loop. High pressure liquid refrigerant is sent from the condensing unit up the smaller of two pipes, and a low(er) pressure gas returns. While the refrigerant circulates a certain % of lubricating oil from the compressor travels with it too. While I'll install an oil separator in the discharge line on a system like this it doesn't trap all the oil, so I have to size the pipes to maintain a decent enough velocity to carry the oil without incurring too great a pressure drop and reducing efficiency, as well as design and install a trapping system to return the oil in the suction (return) line on large vertical risers.

At a rough guess doing all this would've cost double buying two unitised systems, parking them in the shop and plugging them in, but by spending the $ initially the overall running costs are much, much lower doing it the way I did it and we haven't had a single breakdown in the eight years or so since it was all installed. (thanks in part to a gifted designer and pedantic but brilliant installer. :monkey: )
Usually unitised systems fail reasonably regularly as the condenser tends to get blocked really quickly when inside a shop from dust and crap which leads to vastly increased run times, overall loss of efficiency and premature death from overheating.
The dust is just from human traffic walking through and cleaning.
The air outside is much cleaner ;)


(I tried uploading some photo's but nothing wants to work ATM, I think Flash is playing up in the lappy)
 
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The same thing crossed my mind before, taking photos of oil filter numbers and ID plates. Using a pen is sooo yesterday...


(until the phone dies) :msp_unsure:


But in saying that they are surprisingly well built these days.

That's what I do now and email the photo off to my supplier/s.

"I need xyz for this please"

I've been stung too many times with verbal orders "oh, I thought you said..." :(
 
OK, it's starting to sprinkle so I'm back as I'm scared I'll shrink in the rain :monkey:

Most built up commercial and all industrial refrigeration systems are made so that the 'condenser' is either outside in ambient air or somewhere where it uses a secondary coolant such as water, pumped away and cooled via evaporation via a cooling tower, as you see on building rooftops.

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:msp_thumbup::bowdown:
Ok copy that many thanks the fyi and I now understand the how n why of commercial refrigeration and that it ties back to a function of its input cost v profit as does all commerce hiding energy inefficiency behind expenses as nontaxable loss. And understand that it could cheaper and more efficient for domestic design over the whole of life to draft in the fridge condenser as part of the home build eg the kitchen typically stays in the same place and the fridge is more often a fixture.
What would'a n could'a purpose built placed n plug in under floor/wall condenser would cost ??? and the efficiency returns over a year would be =???
I told the typical home fridge sucks up to $2 to $3 bucks a day could you half that with say a $500 dollar under floor or wall condenser connector? so return in 2 years savings after that

:msp_rolleyes:anyhoo dreaming I am but thanks the schooling I can put this one away with the left hand chain saw and turning of street lights after 1am

gittin a new 231 next week if the chappi selling it sorts his poo I'm tryin to buy local but may not bother next time havin to chase ring call email about 5 times some one to give $699 seems tad odd
 
I told the typical home fridge sucks up to $2 to $3 bucks a day could you half that with say a $500 dollar under floor or wall condenser connector? so return in 2 years savings after that


I just did some quick numbers and a new 510l Electrolux (Kelvinator/Westinghouse) fridge will cost $0.41/day according to their energy consumption numbers of 420kW/hr/yr and based on a rate of 36c/kw/hr for power.

I don't see why you couldn't have a split system fridge just like a split system air conditioner, with indoor and condensing units matched and you run the pipes and wiring between.
You'd be restricted to how far apart you could mount the units, maybe 10m maximum line length and 3m vertical separation, but if they can do it with an air conditioner I can't see why you couldn't do it with a fridge, but like a window rattler air conditioner vs a split system a/c, there'd be a price premium for it.
 
Looks like it's Bogong Moth migration time.

All the windows are being bashed as I type by big sucker moths trying to get in.



Or they are vampires asking to be invited in :msp_unsure:
 
I just did some quick numbers and a new 510l Electrolux (Kelvinator/Westinghouse) fridge will cost $0.41/day according to their energy consumption numbers of 420kW/hr/yr and based on a rate of 36c/kw/hr for power.

I don't see why you couldn't have a split system fridge just like a split system air conditioner, with indoor and condensing units matched and you run the pipes and wiring between.
You'd be restricted to how far apart you could mount the units, maybe 10m maximum line length and 3m vertical separation, but if they can do it with an air conditioner I can't see why you couldn't do it with a fridge, but like a window rattler air conditioner vs a split system a/c, there'd be a price premium for it.

ah ops $2 3 bucks be the average homes total daily bill,,,, a quick look finds mines $5 to 6 hell what am I powering dont have no hydroponic weed rack thou better check the kids room roof anyhoo so micro system doable just not practical economic yet thanks again owe you large the effort
 
Rick, dont sweat the 3120.....just tell the douche that you are more than happy to return it when he has paid the storgae fees.

seriously though, I would not even haggle with him, he doesnt deserve the time of day.
 
ah ops $2 3 bucks be the average homes total daily bill,,,, a quick look finds mines $5 to 6 hell what am I powering dont have no hydroponic weed rack thou better check the kids room roof anyhoo so micro system doable just not practical economic yet thanks again owe you large the effort

It's interesting how different areas would spark different ideas. Here in the great white north (not really this time of year), I spend about 2 months of pretty much full time cooling, and at least double that heating full time. The condensor indoors is doing double duty for me, keeping my beer cold and the house warm.

Thanks for the reminder, though. It's time for a spring cleaning of the condensor.
 
Thanks for the reminder, though. It's time for a spring cleaning of the condensor.

What ?!!!

No one does that Steve !

I can't even get commercial customers to do that, they pay me to do it :D

Nice drop of rain here fella's, looks like the drought has broken, at least for the moment.
A follow up to two weeks ago where we had 13mm, the first decent rain since the first of March.
 
ah ops $2 3 bucks be the average homes total daily bill,,,, a quick look finds mines $5 to 6 hell what am I powering dont have no hydroponic weed rack thou better check the kids room roof anyhoo so micro system doable just not practical economic yet thanks again owe you large the effort

I put a bar fridge under a bench but I decided to put a door over the front not to hide the beer but to seal the heat in the cabinet space to isolate it from the room i'm cooling.
I then put two 90mm diameter vents from the cabinet through the out side wall to let the cabinet air vent hot air and draw in cool air.

no waste heat recovery but the cost sealing the door and two vents was less than a $100

opening the cabinet door opens the fridge door
 
tdi-rick;4352354 Nice drop of rain here fella's said:
Yea Rick, a little here as well, I took a load of old saws to the farm yesterday, got there ok and packed away before rain, but it slowly started as I got back home.
The shift has started, I think the last load will happen some day.
 

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