The Descriptive Process

[northmanlogging]

you can tell em

but you can't tell em much

 

[rwoods]

Too true. I am sure I was pretty much the same except I never claimed to be quick or fast. Ron

 

[Gologit]

Too true. I am sure I was pretty much the same except I never claimed to be quick or fast. Ron

Probably the wrong place to post this, but we got another novice cutter being egged on to tackle a tree that is beyond his skill level. If you agree maybe he’ll listen to you. Doesn’t appear that I have made any impression on him. https://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/tricky-tree-to-take-down.319996/

Ron

Ron, nobody is going to make any impression on that guy. You did everything you could and if he won't listen that's not your fault.
He doesn't want advice, he wants somebody to validate what he's already decided to do.

 

[rwoods]

You are probably right as usual. He is determined to cut that tree and that he is some kind of ninja. However, I guess I get more irritated at those who egg him on. Ron

 

[Skeans]

You can only try so much with people like that but most likely you’ll read about it in the paper. You can bring the horse to water but you can’t make them drink. Ron you did everything that you could for the guy, but like you said he’s bull headed and another saying young blank blank you can fill in the blanks hope ends well for him.


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[Gologit]

You are probably right as usual. He is determined to cut that tree and that he is some kind of ninja. However, I guess I get more irritated at those who egg him on. Ron

I know what you mean. The term "blind leading the blind" comes to mind. You can substitute whatever word you want to for blind.
Or, in the words of a bullbuck I remember, looking at the shattered remains of an OG Redwood that was dropped into a stump field by a faller he'd just canned... "That SOB is dumb enough for two people and I can't afford either one of them".

 

[SliverPicker]

If everyone only dropped trees within their comfort zone no one would ever progress.

Such is life.

Hopefully that tree turns out to be lesson learned and not something else.

 

[northmanlogging]

Its one thing to push boundries, another to push yer luck

 

[rwoods]

I can agree with you both. I hope he learns something without getting hurt. Just from his pictures and aside from any species issues, I would hazard a guess that there is a likelihood that a novice could fall it unscathed. However, he may learn nothing from the experience and the next one kills him. Much preferable to progressively expand one’s boundaries than to immediately take on every hazard presented.

Reading his posts in another thread, he is caught up in his purchase of a new saw. Though urged to upgrade his purchase he resisted in deference to conserving cash for an expected birth. I thought with that type of restraint he might listen to a call for restraint on this tree, but the noise of cheerleaders and his self perceived invincibility may have deafened him.

Ron

 

[madhatte]

Sometimes the only way to learn is by doing. Fingers crossed there's no injuries.

 

[SliverPicker]

It's his choice. I am unconcerned.

 

[northmanlogging]

Lawyers are expensive...

but whiskey tastes good after the first 3 shots...

 

[rwoods]

I hope the lawyer came before the whiskey. If not, it may get real expensive. Ron

 

[northmanlogging]

lol yes and no


some folk owe me money.

but to get it I need to spend more on a lawyer then they owe (which I'm sure they are counting on) so, me being stubborn...

 

[rwoods]

Might pay you in the long run to get your lawyer to draft you a form contract that provides for recovery of your cost of collection including attorney fees. Doesn't help if the debtor is judgment proof.

Ron

 

[madhatte]

Uggh, contracts and lawyers, kryptonite, hiss hiss

 

[northmanlogging]

welp...

I know that now...

however, there is a contract, not bulletproof, but a contract...

and per state law, they get x days to pay me after I institute a lien, times nearly up... no money yet...

so next step is Foreclose on em... but it taint gonna be cheap, cause I have to eat all the costs up front... but per state law, I can if things go well recover that at the end.

future contracts and any since then, will have notice of intent to lien included as well as payment of legal fees etc, possibly going with interest as well...

 

[madhatte]

Best o' luck to ye

 

[northmanlogging]

this is one of many reasons I'd like to see dualing re legalized. No honor, no shame no respect etc... that and I'm fairly good with most forms of combat, not an expert per say, but I can hold my own for a little while anyway, pistols, swords, knifes (knife fights suck fyi) fists... I feel I would do ok better when angry though.

 

[Gologit]

Dueling? How 'bout with swords?