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Red Elm
Ridgerunner
Most of the time I love my job. Im a independent Forestry Contractor, which is a cleaned up name for "faller for hire". I get to be in the timber and fall trees all day, being independent if I dont like how things are going w a contractor im subbed to, I can tramp anytime I want. BUT sometimes I HATE MY JOB!!!
We were hired to do a clear cut on a pretty little hardwood ridge about 200 yards long for a hog confinement and farm pond project. On that ridge I cut mockernut, pignut, shagbark, and bitternut hickories, white, red and black oak, and the biggest stand of linden or basswood ive ever seen. At times the hickory nuts were so think you could hardly stand-up. I aint no bleeding heart tree hugger, but it sure was a waste of good wildlife habitat. Think of the deer and turkeys those oaks and hickories fed. Kinda makes it hard for me to sleep w myself at night.
We were hired to do a clear cut on a pretty little hardwood ridge about 200 yards long for a hog confinement and farm pond project. On that ridge I cut mockernut, pignut, shagbark, and bitternut hickories, white, red and black oak, and the biggest stand of linden or basswood ive ever seen. At times the hickory nuts were so think you could hardly stand-up. I aint no bleeding heart tree hugger, but it sure was a waste of good wildlife habitat. Think of the deer and turkeys those oaks and hickories fed. Kinda makes it hard for me to sleep w myself at night.
treeslayer2003
Addicted to ArboristSite
oh elm, i felt like that a couple times.........for two seconds.
some one would have cut it........that was the LOs wishes.
on the big sticks......what some call old growth.......they gonna die any way so why not make use of it and make way for new trees.
disclaimer; i know the west coast old growth lives long.......not what i meant. there ain't a plot here that ain't been cut at some time.....folks see 5' oaks and think the indians played under um.
some one would have cut it........that was the LOs wishes.
on the big sticks......what some call old growth.......they gonna die any way so why not make use of it and make way for new trees.
disclaimer; i know the west coast old growth lives long.......not what i meant. there ain't a plot here that ain't been cut at some time.....folks see 5' oaks and think the indians played under um.
Meh, the west coast old growth dies too, just takes a little longer, and makes a bigger mess when it does.
HuskStihl
Chairin'em for the sound
I've got a huge live oak that I'm sure was here when the country started, and no facts to the contrary can sway my feelings!
Red Elm
Ridgerunner
Not about tree huggin gologit. Its about a way of life disappearing. Had alot of fun as a kid, and adult, squirrel hunting on those hickory ridges. I hate to think my grandsons may not get to do that, aint many of em left. Very little timber left compared to when I was a kid in the 60's. Scape it off clean w a dozer and farm it.
hseII
Addicted to ArboristSite
Printed TruffJon's wife starts it for him however......
bitzer
******** Timber Expert
Wisconsin's forested area is actually higher now that it ever has been. Landowners are turning what was grassland or oak savannah into forest not to mention all of the farmland that has been turned in to woods. I'm clear cutting 20 acres right now that is part of an original 250 acre piece that was clear cut. Its being snipped off for farm land. It happens. The next landowner may put it back into tress though. I would say (at least up here) there is no lack of woodlands. I know we are re-foresting faster than we are cutting. This state got cut over so bad back in the 1800s that no one wants to ever see that again.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
Not only that, but 'old growth' is a term used to manipulate people emotionally.
A 4' tall tree is old growth, as much as a 200' tree.
Trees grow cyclically, it's how everything is. It's how we view and process time.
But selfish and ignorant people manipulate and twist facts to present fallacies as truth.
Just because you weren't alive 400 years ago, & won't be 400 years from now -- doesn't change the cycle, & has no effect on the result. Trees grow and die, just like everything else.
A 4' tall tree is old growth, as much as a 200' tree.
Trees grow cyclically, it's how everything is. It's how we view and process time.
But selfish and ignorant people manipulate and twist facts to present fallacies as truth.
Just because you weren't alive 400 years ago, & won't be 400 years from now -- doesn't change the cycle, & has no effect on the result. Trees grow and die, just like everything else.
Red Elm
Ridgerunner
Prolly good advice Sam. I use to work for an ole boy that always said, "there are two ways to deal with change, embrace it or get steam rolled by it". Nothing ever stays the same, does it?
Somebody said "The only constant thing is change". Sad but true. The changes aren't always for the better but they're sure constant. And you're right about embracing change...there really isn't any other choice. I wish there was.
Loggers are agents of change and what we change affects a lot of people who have to look at the aftermath of our efforts. Some of them know that what they're looking at is temporary and remedial but most of them don't.
The Tree Hugger video that I put in my quote to your post wasn't meant to imply that you're one of those nut-jobs. We know that you're not. Your complaint was mild and very probably valid but logging, by it's very nature, is destructive. Part of what it destroys are the very things that we enjoy about being in the woods in the first place.
Red Elm
Ridgerunner
Couldn't have said it better Gologit.
treeslayer2003
Addicted to ArboristSite
i prefer to think of it as a new begining instead of destruction............makes me feel better at least
jomoco
Tree Freak
You guys ever think about a symbiotic relationship with trees being better than a we live you die norm?
For instance, a huge coast redwood's worth X amount of dollars as processed lumber, alright?
But suppose by harnessing that same tree to generate clean renewable electric power, you could exceed the amount of money it brought in lumber, in the dollar amount of clean power generated?
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6825574.PN.&OS=PN/6825574&RS=PN/6825574
The trees live, lumberjacks and climbers remain gainfully employed installing and maintaining the tree harnesses and generation stations on the ground.
A true symbiosis between man and tree.
jomoco
For instance, a huge coast redwood's worth X amount of dollars as processed lumber, alright?
But suppose by harnessing that same tree to generate clean renewable electric power, you could exceed the amount of money it brought in lumber, in the dollar amount of clean power generated?
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6825574.PN.&OS=PN/6825574&RS=PN/6825574
The trees live, lumberjacks and climbers remain gainfully employed installing and maintaining the tree harnesses and generation stations on the ground.
A true symbiosis between man and tree.
jomoco
bitzer
******** Timber Expert
Will the tree live long enough to pay for the contraption?
jomoco
Tree Freak
You tell me if all that tonnage swayin back n forth up there has that kinda low end torque?
In my experience? Absolutely, enough to rip you and your horse in half many times over!
We'll go two thirds up, install our cable bolt, in perfect alignment of course. Then attach it the unit's reciprocating lever arm, or your arm with your feet in concrete.
Wait for the wind to blow n see what happens?
jomoco
In my experience? Absolutely, enough to rip you and your horse in half many times over!
We'll go two thirds up, install our cable bolt, in perfect alignment of course. Then attach it the unit's reciprocating lever arm, or your arm with your feet in concrete.
Wait for the wind to blow n see what happens?
jomoco
1270d
ArboristSite Guru
and where the anchor is installed in/on the tree, the tree weakens. then it snaps off in a wind storm and the loggers are called to take care of it. full circle
