Tick questions

[lone wolf]

http://danielcameronmd.com/long-take-infected-tick-transmit-lyme-disease/

"Patmas and Remora reported on a case of Lyme disease that was transmitted after only 6 hours of attachment by a deer tick. The authors concluded that, “The current recommendation against treatment of shortduration tick bites may need reconsideration.”(1994)"

https://www.lymedisease.org/hard-science-on-lyme-ticks-can-transmit-infection-the-first-day/

From a peer reviewed Medical Journal

Int J Gen Med. 2015; 8: 1–8.
Published online 2014 Dec 19. doi: 10.2147/IJGM.S73791


"Abstract
Lyme borreliosis is increasing rapidly in many parts of the world and is the most commonly occurring vector-borne disease in Europe and the USA. The disease is transmitted by ticks of the genus Ixodes. They require a blood meal at each stage of their life cycle and feed on a wide variety of wild and domestic animals as well as birds and reptiles. Transmission to humans is incidental and can occur during visits to a vector habitat, when host mammals and their associated ticks migrate into the urban environment, or when companion animals bring ticks into areas of human habitation. It is frequently stated that the risk of infection is very low if the tick is removed within 24–48 hours, with some claims that there is no risk if an attached tick is removed within 24 hours or 48 hours. A literature review has determined that in animal models, transmission can occur in <16 hours, and the minimum attachment time for transmission of infection has never been established. Mechanisms for early transmission of spirochetes have been proposed based on their presence in different organs of the tick. Studies have found systemic infection and the presence of spirochetes in the tick salivary glands prior to feeding, which could result in cases of rapid transmission. Also, there is evidence that spirochete transmission times and virulence depend upon the tick and Borrelia species. These factors support anecdotal evidence that Borrelia infection can occur in humans within a short time after tick attachment."

"A European study documented six cases of culture-confirmed infection where tick attachment was <6 hours and nine cases where transmission occurred in <24 hours." Strle F, Nelson JA, Ruzic-Sabljic E, et al. European Lyme Borreliosis: 231 culture-confirmed cases involving patients with erythema migrans. Clin Infect Dis. 1996;23(1):61–65.

"Conclusion
The claims that removal of ticks within 24 hours or 48 hours of attachment will effectively prevent LB are not supported by the published data, and the minimum tick attachment time for transmission of LB in humans has never been established."

"Therefore, LB infection can never be excluded after a tick bite irrespective of the estimated duration of attachment time."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4278789/

I bet it can happen in a very short time.

 

[Mad Professor]

Powassan virus takes 15 minutes. to transmit....

 

[ATH]

I don't think permanent antibiotic intake is the answer either... I guess aggressive testing? My understanding is that tests for Lyme are inaccurate though? Is the DNA test reliable? I've sent fungual samples for trees to [http://www.vetdna.com/test-type/small-animal]Research Associates Labratory[/url]. I see that they test for Lyme as well (small mammals...but same DNA, no matter where it came from...right?

 

[Mad Professor]

I don't think permanent antibiotic intake is the answer either... I guess aggressive testing? My understanding is that tests for Lyme are inaccurate though? Is the DNA test reliable? I've sent fungual samples for trees to [http://www.vetdna.com/test-type/small-animal]Research Associates Labratory[/url]. I see that they test for Lyme as well (small mammals...but same DNA, no matter where it came from...right?

I just suggest antibiotics if you have been bit. Or find a bite after the fact.

Some tests will be + if you have ever had lyme. Some tests will miss lyme that has been present a long time as it gets in cells/tissues that will not show up on the test, that is chronic untreated cases.

Some people never find a bite/tick, and don't get treatment. Then the chronic symptoms begin to appear. Read the links I posted.

 

[ATH]

I just suggest antibiotics if you have been bit. ...
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I'm saying I know people who are bitten every day of the week... they would need antibiotics almost year 'round with the deer tick season being so long.

 

[lone wolf]

I'm saying I know people who are bitten every day of the week... they would need antibiotics almost year 'round with the deer tick season being so long.

Well if you get it you will see what we are talking about. That stuff is no joke.

 

[ATH]

I don't dispute that Lyme disease sucks. I'm just saying it doesn't seem like 365 of antibiotics is a viable solution.

 

[ATH]

I actually got a Lyme immunization treatment in the late 90's. It is no longer on the market. It is unclear if the treatment is still effective or if I would have needed a booster.

 

[lone wolf]

I actually got a Lyme immunization treatment in the late 90's. It is no longer on the market. It is unclear if the treatment is still effective or if I would have needed a booster.

Why is it off the market?

 

[ATH]

Low demand and uncertainty about the product.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/

 

[lone wolf]

Low demand and uncertainty about the product.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/

From the link "A single dose of doxycycline administered within 72 h of a tick bite reduces the risk of B. burgdorferi disease by 87% [11]. However, this requires recognizing the tick bite and identifying the type of tick. "
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[Mad Professor]

Get Doxy ASAP if bitten.

I followed the vaccine. If it worked i would have got one. I get a tick bite, besides, precautions , every year, or now other year, since about 1993. Most now are from my, or friends, pets bringing in ticks to homes/cars.

Two thoughts on this "vaccine":

1) Big Pharma don't want a cure/vaccine. Then no $$$ coming in. Treatment is $$$ to big Pharma. Cure cuts off CA$H!!! Sell doxy!!!!

2) The vaccine was not effective

take your pick?

You trust big business/Pharma? not me......

 

[ATH]

Found a new tick removal tool today. A 2 pack was $4 at Menards:
https://www.amazon.com/ZenPet-Tick-Tornado-Removal-Remover/dp/B010NU1V1I

I have a few of the Pro Tick Remedy pullers that work real well: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00161O2MO/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_inactive_ship_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But $2 each vs. $7 each... now i have the Pro Remedy in work truck and home medicine cabinet. Tick Tornado in my other vehicle (that i do use for more forestry work) amd in the wife's van for when we find the *******s while on vacation...

 

[waranertreesteam]

Good morning.

I'm creating an article on ticks for a green industry publication. If anybody has had a relevant experience with ticks and would be willing to be quoted in this piece, please message me. Have you had issues with ticks while on the job? What specific precautions do you take to avoid ticks?

Thanks in advance.

I'm interested in being quoted, can you message me? thanks!

 

[Mad Professor]

I'm interested in being quoted, can you message me? thanks!

Phil is Awol.

 

[Erwin]

Ticks are hardwired ti only climb up, never down QUOTE]
don't think that is true. many times, they bite between my toes before attaching somewhere on my lower back.