Two More MS461s Go Under The Knife

[Kavall]

Like the setup MM, my only change would be ditch the use of the compound rest and just cut it with the carriage. You can get the same precision placing your depth indicator on the carriage. At that point you won't have to worry about having your compound rest not perfectly parallel with the bore. I use a number of circle machine boring bars and really like the way they cut and run. And Parrisw is right, you need some strength and speed in your lathe to use carbide well. Mine's only a 2hp 13x40, but it tends to work well if I take light cuts.

 

[parrisw]

Eyeball method......

It helps that my lathe can be spun around on the bench top.

LOL, ya I suppose that helps.

I can't move mine, took 2 people to move it in, in pieces.

 

[Stihlman441]

It accepts 15-16mm

Bugger,years ago when i was a turner machinest (did it for 26 years) i made these boring bars that held a 1/4 or 3/16 square high speed tools bits,the shank part was round and then held in a square with a slot in it to clamp down what ever lenght was required,i just had a look im my tool box and the smallest one i found is 1''.I wll have a look at home i did have some smaller ones but probably gave them away when i changed trades.

 

[parrisw]

Like the setup MM, my only change would be ditch the use of the compound rest and just cut it with the carriage. You can get the same precision placing your depth indicator on the carriage. At that point you won't have to worry about having your compound rest not perfectly parallel with the bore. I use a number of circle machine boring bars and really like the way they cut and run. And Parrisw is right, you need some strength and speed in your lathe to use carbide well. Mine's only a 2hp 13x40, but it tends to work well if I take light cuts.

Getting rid of the compound would be nice. I want to do that, but just haven't spent the time to make a block to take its place to get the right center height.

 

[parrisw]

Bugger,years ago when i was a turner machinest (did it for 26 years) i made these boring bars that held a 1/4 or 3/16 square high speed tools bits,the shank part was round and then held in a square with a slot in it to clamp down what ever lenght was required,i just had a look im my tool box and the smallest one i found is 1''.I wll have a look at home i did have some smaller ones but probably gave them away when i changed trades.

Sounds like what I made.

Small one I used before, then the large one I made a couple months ago.

 

[young]

wow, off topic. geeeezzzzz.

to bring this thread back on topic, randy did you like that chocolate satin pie?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[chadihman]

Ouch my head hurts. I soaked up more info in the last five min. than I did in high school.
Thanks a bunch Randy for posting all the great pics and explaining it all. This will really help for my first jug cutting on my new to me lathe.

 

[Tree Sling'r]

How do you cut out to the edge of the bore? Do you have a carriage stop? I'd like one of those micrometer carriage stops. So far I just use the old eyeball then "0" out the indicator then go to 0 each pass.

The talent is overwhelming in this thread, great job Randy and company.

 

[Mastermind]

Like the setup MM, my only change would be ditch the use of the compound rest and just cut it with the carriage. You can get the same precision placing your depth indicator on the carriage. At that point you won't have to worry about having your compound rest not perfectly parallel with the bore. I use a number of circle machine boring bars and really like the way they cut and run. And Parrisw is right, you need some strength and speed in your lathe to use carbide well. Mine's only a 2hp 13x40, but it tends to work well if I take light cuts.

I must admit that the carriage is tough to move really accurately. The half nut setup is sloppy with no way to advance the lead screw without engaging it through the headstock. There are mods that can be done to this lathe that adds a hand wheel to the lead screw. Then the half nut backlash issue could be solved as well.

At this point locking the carriage and advancing with the compound is the most accurate way I've found. Also I cut about .010 past the plating in the squish area......better safe than sorry.

wow, off topic. geeeezzzzz.

to bring this thread back on topic, randy did you like that chocolate satin pie?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :hmm3grin2orange:

I did like that pie........you are the man ya know!!!

Ouch my head hurts. I soaked up more info in the last five min. than I did in high school.
Thanks a bunch Randy for posting all the great pics and explaining it all. This will really help for my first jug cutting on my new to me lathe.

Well this little lathe of mine ain't the best tool for the job.....I've spent a lot of time truing and improving it since I got it. If I can do a decent job with it you will be able to do a fantastic job with yours.

 

[Stihlman441]

So is the squish band area you machine flat or tapered.

 

[Mastermind]

So is the squish band area you machine flat or tapered.

Flat. I do "roll" the edge where it meets the chamber with a sanding mandrel and then polish it up with scotchbrite before it goes together though.

 

[thomas1]

You sure you don't have room for a Bridgeport?

 

[Mastermind]

You sure you don't have room for a Bridgeport?

If I threw out all the junk 084s I have in here.....maybe.

 

[thomas1]

if i threw out all the junk 084s i have in here.....maybe.

 

[Stihlman441]

A Randy there is nothing worse than working around a machine that has backlash,use clocks and magnetic bases on top and cross slides to help with accuracy.:msp_smile:

 

[young]

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I did like that pie........you are the man ya know!!!

....

pie bribery at its best.

 

[Mastermind]

pie bribery at its best.

Your saw is almost done. :msp_thumbup:

I'll be posting more pics and stuff tomorrow. I'm tired and ain't doing it tonight.......sue me.

Is my computer workin yet?

 

[young]

Your saw is almost done. :msp_thumbup:

I'll be posting more pics and stuff tomorrow. I'm tired and ain't doing it tonight.......sue me.

Is my computer workin yet?

sure sure. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Mastermind]

sure sure. :hmm3grin2orange:

Sure??????? You're gonna sue me? :msp_ohmy:

Asians.........

 

[indiansprings]

He does need a Bridgeport, I found a nice 220 volt single phase one several years ago and wouldn't trade it off or sell it period. Makes life alot easier. Although after visiting Grizzly's show room some of their models look very nice for the money.

Love the 461 builds, great work as usual! Keep up the great work. I think the 461 is going to be a great seller.