Tying webbing?

[beastmaster]

I need a bunch of slings in the morning. I went by the local camping outlet to buy some. They only had three. So I bought 30 ft of rated webbing and after googleing (how to tie webbing) I used the water knot. One place said its as strong as a sewn webbing. Anyone else ever tie there own web slings? Any down sides? Going to use them with carabiners to skid branches.
A 1"x48" sling is 6 dollars, and webbing is 39 cent a foot.

 

[ROPECLIMBER]

I have thought about it , in the Tree Climbers Companion on pp.93 there is the beer knot says it is more time consuming but is stronger and has no tails in the past when I want a knot to set permanetly on a lanyard or sling I use my truck crane that I mounted on the toung of my chipper to load logs with, it puts the knot in there plus the beer knot only uses 15" to tye compared to the 22" of the water knot. let me know how it worksn, think for light zipe line stuff would be good the sewn 1" slings are only good for life support if you load both ends any way with the sewn part not in the atachement points.
Paul

Knowledge for the vertical world - Knots - Beer knot - YouTube

the TCC says to use about 10" in the overlap and center the knot on the overlap

 

[sgreanbeans]

I have one that I have the water knot on. It has worked fine so far. It is the last one I grab tho (I have one of those little yellow bags from sherril, have like 30 slings in it)

 

[2treeornot2tree]

We use the water knot all the time in the fire service. I can't say I have ever used 22" of webbing to tie it. A 3" tail is more then sufficiant. The beer knot is nicer because the tails aren't flaping al over. Looks nicer too. I have made lots of slings using knots. To be honest, I trust one I tied more then one that is sewn because I can see the knot and know what it should look like. What if the guy sewing the sling was having a fight with his girlfriend and wasn't thinking about what he was doing and only put half the stiches needed in it. Don't say it don't happen, cause when I got my new ergavation harness, the lanyard d ring was sewn under the adjustment. Sling and you couldn't attach your flip line to it because it was tight against your side. Buckingham send me a new one right away and ask me what color dot it had on it. I said blue, they said they have been having so e ad stuff come back with blue dots on them. Each inspector has a color dot they put on the stuff they inspect. Sounds like this guy was gonna get fired.

 

[beastmaster]

Thanks for the feed back. I use to have a bunch of slings but they seem to disappear here and there. I feel a little more confident knowing others have used that knot. I only have a few inches of tail on each side of the knot but Ive pulled them pretty tight. Not the prettiest looking slings, but they'll do for todays job. I now wish I had a static rope of my own for those big chunks. Last one yesterday missed the roof by only a few feet. I made some lines out of three strand rope for the big peices and timber hitch them tightly on a four feet piece. The slings are for branches. I wish I had 30 of them. I have one sling rated for 10,000 lbs. Wish I had a few of them too.
Thanks guys, I got to start up the hill to Lake Arrowhead now. Hope the wind stops blowing.

 

[ROPECLIMBER]

22" I was just Quoting The Tree Climbers Companion 2nd edition pg 62 it said alow 22" for the water knot and 15" for the beer knot seems back wards to me, may be a misprint especially since the beer knot is overlaped 10-12" plus the knot so that would be the 22" one I think Jeff Jepson typed them backwards,
Paul

 

[Kottonwood]

I have never bought a premade sling... I have a few that have been given to me over time but I always tie my own. I use the beer knot as explained in that sweet video. They hold up extremely well, I have never broken one. I honestly trust it more than the sewn ones, I just don't see that stitching holding up as well. No downsides really other than the fact that the knot is a little big and bulky compared to the sewn webbing.

 

[Kottonwood]

I usually account for ten inches of overlap on the one inch webbing and eight or so on the half inch. I don't use any tools to make them either, usually you can just finagle them through far enough.

 

[2treeornot2tree]

I use a fid or wire to push the tail in to the other piece of webing

 

[Blakesmaster]

Don't think I've ever used a pre-made sling. Always tied my own with a water knot, might look into the beer knot. Have a huge roll of webbing we bought a few years ago, still going strong, but I don't rig with slings very often.

 

[ddhlakebound]

A while back I picked up about 30 1" slings and single action biners for cheap. The slings were all tied w/ water knots and after a couple uses, I untied every single one and re-did them with beer knots. To me the beer knot is much neater, and easier to work quickly with.

The only issue I have with the beer knot is that you can't see the inserted end to be sure of no slippage, but it's easy enough to feel where the webbing ends inside the sling and know there's no creep.

Where do you guys get your rated webbing? The only stuff I can find local is unrated, and seems flimsier than the slings I've got.

 

[2treeornot2tree]

Eastern mountain sports has rated webbing. Also any place that sells fire rescue stuff normally has it too.

 

[arborjockey]

A while back I picked up about 30 1" slings and single action biners for cheap. The slings were all tied w/ water knots and after a couple uses, I untied every single one and re-did them with beer knots. To me the beer knot is much neater, and easier to work quickly with.

The only issue I have with the beer knot is that you can't see the inserted end to be sure of no slippage, but it's easy enough to feel where the webbing ends inside the sling and know there's no creep.

Where do you guys get your rated webbing? The only stuff I can find local is unrated, and seems flimsier than the slings I've got.

Lots of unrated webbing out there. Beware. My beer knots never creeped so my tails were shorter(only about 4"s) I eventually gave up making them because the knots are cumbersome to work with.

Ive used the webbing as a friction saver on my lanyard(cut the thimble off the end and slid it over the jacket of a wire core) filled a small piece with sand for a throw bag, slid pieces down my rope for abrasion resistance, and when a corner of my new rope bag tore I cut some webbing and shoe glued the hole. For abrasion resistance I like fire hose too.:msp_smile:

 

[himiler]

I have never bought a premade sling... I have a few that have been given to me over time but I always tie my own. I use the beer knot as explained in that sweet video. They hold up extremely well, I have never broken one. I honestly trust it more than the sewn ones, I just don't see that stitching holding up as well. No downsides really other than the fact that the knot is a little big and bulky compared to the sewn webbing.

If I can find a less expensive and relative equal alternative to accomplish the task at hand then I've just made money by saving it.
I just had the idea that if my wife's sewing machine is able, I might take some heavy thread and sew through the ends of the beer knot through the webbing it's inserted in. Can't imagine it slipping then.
Steve

 

[2treeornot2tree]

I have never see a water or beer not slip at all once set. I have even pulled them till the webbing has failed with no knot slipage

 

[FanOFatherNash]

I have thought about it , in the Tree Climbers Companion on pp.93 there is the beer knot says it is more time consuming but is stronger

Knowledge for the vertical world - Knots - Beer knot - YouTube

the TCC says to use about 10" in the overlap and center the knot on the overlap

beer knot is way to go ...