useing the bucket boom to load wood........

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while chunking down wood i hit concrete......so i took out a 6 ft piece in one shot. the guys were able to roll it behind the truck, i put a line around it and tied it to the lower boom and raised it. the guys were able to push it in and be done with it. it saved alot of time .........otherwise we would have been wacking chains up trying to widdle away at the thing. any one else ever try this?

we even used the upper boom to put a claw foot tub through the second story window of my house........it sure beat trying to hump it up the stairs.
 
I;ve seen a guy load his bobcat grapple bucket onto the truck w/ the lower boom. The whole idea bothered me a bit. I'm sure the boom at the lower section is strong enough but it still didn't settle well.
 
The high ranger xt Terex telect) series have an optional lifting eye on the lower boom. Manual says no one in bucket, and max lift weight of 1,000lbs.
Other than that, I've seen it done for certian situations, like picking up a log from a roofline while it's being cut up, but for normal everyday use, if not factory equipped for such lifting, I'd find another way to load logs. A tractor with a front bucket, or a bobcat works well, without risking unseen damage to a boom you will be riding at a later date. Not worth it IMO. It only takes one boom failure to end ya.
-Ralph
 
That's kind of like rigging off a climbing line. Sure, maybe the logs are lighter than a climber, so you don't think it can hurt, but inevitably it ends up going to and above the limits. A smart guy doesn't compomise on safety, even if it saves work. Did you get away without anything bad happening? Sure. Was it smart? No.
If you're loading logs and you don't have the proper tools, you could set something up. We have a steel sling hung on the center top of the chip box. Clip a pulley on and run a rope through. To power it, a Z rig, GRCS, winch, or just drive forward.
 
I've done it but have vowed to stop, for all the reasons state above. I don't get big removals that often so I don't think that it pays for me to have a bobcat and trailer so I just rent them whenever I need them and factor that expense in to the bid. I have also been tempted to hook my carlton stump grinder to the lower boom and lift it over a fence; however, I read the owners manual and the stump grinder was 1500 pounds and I thought that was too much. Duh! I have blown hoses a couple of times in the boom and I always think back to when I boomed wood or did something that I wasn't supposed to do with it when that happens. Each time I blew a hose it was at least 1 day lost and one time it was about 5 gal of hydraulic oil on a city street that I had to go down and get floor sweep and degreaser and clean up. Since I stopped doing stuff like that I haven't had any boom trouble.
 
It has been awhile since I have looked at bucket trucks. On most makes it was a big No, NO, to lift objects with the upper boom, some makes it was OK to use the lower boom. Some of the newer models have a small material handling boom mounted on the upper boom, I have no idea how much they can handle.

Personally, I would not lift anything with the upper boom of a knuckle other than the weight of a man and the tools needed to do the task. Many tree guys here rig limbs and wood to the upper booms of their rigs, not safe IMO, puts to much strain on the upper boom section and the knuckle joint.

One outfit we have around here broke the upper boom in half doing this stunt, the operator was hurt bad but was able to recover.

Lifting with the lower boom doesn't give you much options to move and position a load, your limited to only lift up and the radius of the boom for swinging the load to position it on another truck or trailor. I would find a different way too load logs if you have to do it alot, sounds like you were in kind of a jam with the concrete in the log thing.

This is the reason why I chose an Elliott boom over the knuckle type boom, just so we could lift big heavy wood to load onto a smaller one ton dump truck. Elliott booms are basically light cranes with a self leveling cage on the end, most units will have the heel winches, cable at the back of the boom and a sheave under the the basket. A special lift plate with a ring is also welded to the bottom of the extension boom. The crane feature is nice for getting stuff out of back yards, or removing storm damaged trees from roofs of houses or trees with tight LZ's.

Larry
 
That is a Big NO NO! you will Stretch your cables Put undo stress on your cylinder's and Pins. Which you might not notice until one day your 50' in the air and a Cble snaps or a pin shears.
 
DDM said:
That is a Big NO NO! you will Stretch your cables Put undo stress on your cylinder's and Pins. Which you might not notice until one day your 50' in the air and a Cble snaps or a pin shears.

No (external and obligated)safety checks on a (at least) yearly bases on the buckets?

In 10 years i did it once. loaded this piece.

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i could take it, but it had to be right on before they changed their mind.

hehe. i did it with a caterpillar aichi telescopic skylift.
 
The altec and Terex booms we used to use for line work were rated for 5,000 on the lower boom, and anywhere from 1000 to 2500 on the upper boom depending on the angle of the two booms. There were floating rating charts on the boom next to the jib winch on the end of the boom.
 
This also brings up another thing I have been thinking about lately why not buy booms like the power linesman use and have the jib winch on the upper boom end available to us for rigging purposes? You could lower and raise haevy objects with ease!
 
One of the main things that I think about when it comes to lifting wood is. How do I really know what that thing weighs?

I have had a crane come to job site for us with a scale on their unit and some of the logs we were lifting were alot heavier than we thought they were.

We NEVER lift logs with any of our booms upper or lower.
 
This has come up before and been dragged through, but anyway most bucket trucks are designed for lifting people, not loading logs, that is what laborers, bobcats, or boom trucks are for. Can a bucket truck lift a log and have I done it? The answer is yes to both. I could probably tow a 10k lb. chipper with a Yugo if I wanted to, but the question is should I? Some booms are designed for lifting and have a specific lift capacity listed on the boom. Lift capacity from a jib boom is posted as a dead lift from the ground at a controlled rate. A major problem to bucket trucks is shock loading, no manufacturer wants to hear about using a man-lift as a rigging point, but some operators do it on a regular basis. Not a good idea in my opinion. Would you use your climbing line as a tow strap and then climb on it the next day?
 
hows this 15meter bucket with a winch on it,not sure how much it lifts and its high voltage insulated.made by tadano crane builders japan.
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bucket trucks,,,boom trucks...

all trucks are difrent....
arbor trucks usually,,are not equipt to lift loads ,other than the operator...
line trucks have material handling, or no material handling..
some trucks have lifting eyes on the lower boom..no jib...
some trucks have jibs,, and no lifting eye...
some trucks have both..
what you really should do,is read the operators manual...
to see what the truck can do...
 

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