Using top corner of bar safely

[The Muskrat Man]

I am a non professional, so I wanted to ask this question to guys in the industry.

In what situations is it safe to use the fearsome "kickback corner" of the bar for cutting?

I was taught to use the bore cut the majority of the time when felling. The guy that showed me this emphasized using full throttle and starting with the bottom corner of the bar before rotating the saw, but he said that the top corner could also be used. I hadn't thought about it in the years since, but recently I was thinking that it would be handy so that I could stand with a better view of the notch when starting the bore (when you cant stand on other side of notch or when double boring). Is this a safe practice? Are there other situations when it can be done (bucking a log on the ground etc..)?

 

[northmanlogging]

legally never...

But if one where to try it... it helps for limbing using the top of the bar if you catch a bit of the "danger corner" the saw will pull itself through the limb, can help with underbucking as well, same basic Idea just use a bit of the corner and it pulls its way through, its really ****ing dangerous though and probably shouldn't be tried ever...

Not to be tried by the weak or vain though, if you do plan on using it make damn sure anything important is out of the way of a likely kickback, and that the brake is working properly on your saw.

 

[madhatte]

Useful also for cleaning out face-cuts; you can look down the bar like sighting a rifle and see what you're nibbling at. Works way better with Humboldts than conventionals.

 

[SliverPicker]

If you decide to try it be prepared for some pretty rude surprises that you may or not be able to handle along the learning curve. Even after the learning curve for that matter.

 

[056kid]

It's all in your chain. I'd suggest learning other techniques than the gol bore cut though. Bore cutting has its place, but there are other, easier, safer ways to back up a tree. Be safe!

 

[redoakneck]

Which chain works Best??? Square ground??

 

[RandyMac]

another boring thread

 

[056kid]

Pretty much. BUT. The right hook & the right raker depth on a round filed bit can work just as good. Back square filed bit, it can buck like hell too. Just in the setup.
Its all about the chain. ...

 

[HuskStihl]

Big saw, full throttle, non-pro user, top side of the tip...........If u'r asking if northy, kid, sliver, or Randy can safely do it, sure. If you mean guys like you and me........if you have to ask, then the answer is no

 

[The Muskrat Man]

It's all in your chain. I'd suggest learning other techniques than the gol bore cut though. Bore cutting has its place, but there are other, easier, safer ways to back up a tree. Be safe!

Had to look up "gol" , I didn't do game of logging. After reading a few threads I've gathered that they really like bore cutting. I hope I didn't overplay my use of it though I probably do use it more than necessary. I am curious what other techniques you recommend. I have used few different sequences for making a back cut (straight thru, coos bay, single bore half diameter and cut around), but I can't imagine many other variations that would be practical. Please elaborate or point me in the right direction. I'm very interested in learning.

 

[northmanlogging]

Not sure what its called but on bigger timber and to short of a bar you can dog in on the off side and use the tip of the bar to establish the offside hold wood, then swing the saw back around and finish off the front side back cut... Good thing to know on steep ground or hard to reach offside stuff, and its just faster than wandering around to the off side...

Otherwise not many ways to make a back cut, two ways to make a coos though triangle and T, I think the T method is meant more for large timber where the triangle works great on smaller stuff.

GOL=SSD, or game of logging/swedish stump dance

 

[056kid]

If it looks like it's gonna bust, put a block in it. Coos bays are great. Don't tell but on real heavy leaners that will be flopped, I just ream until the front sits hard. Then hit the back and off she goes. Slick stumpin! Good for those 45° bastards haha. These east coasters really raise hell about a little corner pull(only way to get them side hilled so the skidded engineer can pull em out) in some situations.

 

[SliverPicker]

Northy, can you do a video demonstration of this Swedish Stump Dance?

 

[KYLogger]

If it's a bad leaner I do as "kid" said. A little side pull ain't never bothered me a bit. That being said, I will bore cut on occasion.......... a whole lotta cutting to achieve the same result for most trees though.

 

[northmanlogging]

Northy, can you do a video demonstration of this Swedish Stump Dance?

You want me to cause an earthquake? I'm not sure my insurance will cover that...

 

[Gologit]

You want me to cause an earthquake? I'm not sure my insurance will cover that...

Maybe you could set it to music, something graceful like Swan Lake or The NutCracker. We'll give you a pass on the ballet tights and the tutu. Gladly.

 

[northmanlogging]

Me and Grace don't get along so well...

Although ya might be onto something, only problem is I don't have a bar short enough to make it legit. Maybe I could borrow the neighbors top handle limbing saw and find something to kill.

 

[4x4American]

Oh boy...subscribed

 

[treeslayer2003]

LOL!
Ted, if you mean corner as in the sap wood then that is fine yes. heart pull no.
i can't get on with GOL, feels really weird to me. heavy leaners i gut the heart from the face and let um go from the back like normal........any pull will be on the side like i think you mean. where you been any way?

 

[Samlock]

Today I used the kickback corner few times for nibbing out the holding wood from the near side when I had a backleaning small but tall whip all stuffed with wedges, yet skybound. The slope was full of that stuff.

Well, it's not a safe thing to do.