Were Loggin Now !!!

[tramp bushler]

Brown bear trail..

Here Ralph (Animal) is standing to one side of a bear trail that had the biggest tracks and the widest spacing of any bear trail I,ve been on ..And I,ve been on hundreds .

...... One morning one of the monsters was in the road when Dan and Lori went outand the hump on his back was part way up the winds
hield of their 4x4 half ton Chevy ... With the bear standing on all 4 feet .....When you see grizzled brown hair 9 feet up a tree stuck in the bark from where they were rubbing thier back and the back of their head ,, You know there is something bigger than you out their ........ OH and the 10 ga ...... Not that effective ........Would prefer my 45 . definatly prefer a 500 Linebaugh ,500 Wyo Exp ,500 Smith ,500 Maximum ect ..... But the 458 Win Mag is pretty ideal .... There is no comparrison to the 458 and the shotguns on bear ..... Shotguns suck for brown bear !!!!!! Good for shiners and revinuers I spose , but not for bears ... If you want to argue that point go to Accurate Reloading.com Forums , Alaska forum and bring up the subject .... I,ll be watching on the sidelines and laughing !!!!!!!

 

[Haywire Haywood]

So a 45 colt is better for an up close encounter with a brown bear than a 10ga slug? I'll have to dig out my reloading manuals and do a ft-lb comparison.

Ian

Edit..
10 ga slug, 766gr, 1280fps, 2785 ft/lb energy (Federal factory load)
45 colt, 325 hard cast, 1275fps, 1172 ft/lbs energy (Hottest load I could find on a quick search)

not looking for an argument, was just curious about the comparison.

 

[2dogs]

T have a Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 that I have loaded up very hot )can't remember the exact load). That gun is not pleasant to shoot and I don't seem to mind recoil too much.

 

[Metals406]

T have a Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 that I have loaded up very hot )can't remember the exact load). That gun is not pleasant to shoot and I don't seem to mind recoil too much.

I love my 45-70 Marlin!

 

[Haywire Haywood]

I had a 45-70 NEF Handi-rifle with a 22" barrel and a 32" Buffalo Classic that I had pushed out to 45-90. Sold both of them. Just didn't have a use for them.

Ian

 

[Metals406]

I had a 45-70 NEF Handi-rifle with a 22" barrel and a 32" Buffalo Classic that I had pushed out to 45-90. Sold both of them. Just didn't have a use for them.

Ian

Someday I'll have me a 45-110 or 45-120.

 

[tramp bushler]

So a 45 colt is better for an up close encounter with a brown bear than a 10ga slug? I'll have to dig out my reloading manuals and do a ft-lb comparison.

Ian

Edit..
10 ga slug, 766gr, 1280fps, 2785 ft/lb energy (Federal factory load)
45 colt, 325 hard cast, 1275fps, 1172 ft/lbs energy (Hottest load I could find on a quick search)

not looking for an argument, was just curious about the comparison.

Depth of penatration .... I have found a number of standard slugs 2-.4 "sme 6" in a bear .. WLN flat nose Hard cast or Belt Mt Punch bullets from a 45 Colt @1200 fps weighing 335 grains or so will penatrate thru FEET of bear ......... Energy figures arn,t all that reliable ........... Some loadings could show that a 300 RUM has more energy than a 458 Win Mag. .. But it,s not even close as far as preformance on a bear @ 20 feet .... .. I have alot of experience with bears ... A shot gun ain,t much most of the time .......... With a Brenneke slug at a max velocity it is as good as it will be , Then it would be better than a revolver ....But only just ........

 

[tramp bushler]

T have a Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 that I have loaded up very hot )can't remember the exact load). That gun is not pleasant to shoot and I don't seem to mind recoil too much.

. The 45/70 w/ Buffalo Bore or CorBon heavy loads works very well on big bears ....... It still isn,t a 416 or 458 , but it works well .... The thing about a long gun is , I,m packin a saw ,ax , spare bar , gas and oil . plus ...... No room for a long gun ..

 

[tramp bushler]

Cheapest way to try out the shotgun slug theroy , is go buy a big bull ... shoot it in the shulder with your slugs ... Myself , I would bring a lot of them with me for that task When it is dead do an autopsy and see how the slugs did ...... You may get very suprised ...........And it will be the cheapest relitavly real experiment you can come up with .. Shoot the same animal with a 45 colt with heavy bullet loads and compare the results .....
. I,m not saying that of all things I would prefer a pistol for bear .... my 416s and 458s are perfect ..... but the pistol is pretty easy to pack around ... and something is miles better than nothing .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[yooper]

wow thanks for sharing the photos of your stomping grounds, excellent!

 

[Greystoke]

Nice Pictures Tramp I am guessing that you posted pictures of the log loader because that unit was shovel logged? I worked on shovel ground for over a year by Thorne Bay...got spoiled. Although our shovel operator was crazy, as a good portion of the ground that we cut was supposed to be yarder ground, but the shovel operator was determined to have at it...saw him work on some pretty steep nasty ground!

 

[tramp bushler]

digital pictures

I,ve got quite a few pictures of cutting and logging, But they are not digital yet .. I can't find my scanner/ printer since we moved so I can,t get many more than what I,ve posted ..... If I post pics of what I,m doing now people may laugh @ me ....Tho it is alot of fun ... Not to often I have to run for my life in these woods ..........
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. The Forest Service is real big on shovel loggin if not using a tower , or Helicopter. You know how soft and screwed up even good ground is .. A shovel is pretty good , tho hydraulics have put alot of men out of work .............The guy I cut for got it at a fairly good price....
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. We had a few 3-5 bushel yellow cedars on that sale , a couple 5 bushel spruce and an aweful lot of 1-2 bushel spruce .. It was mainly a cedar sale ........