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[ropensaddle]

LOL, that's kind of a sore spot with me. I've had a few think that I should pay them more after they found out what I made on a job or two. Jobs that I sold, climbed and covered my ass with my own insurance to do. I generally ask them did you put your ass on the line to climb the job? Did you sell the Job? Did you use your equipment to do the job? Who would have taken the loss if property was damaged doing the job?

Don't get me wrong. My guys usually get paid more than their average wage when I do well. Lunches are usually bought for them as well as beer at the end of the day. I get no complaints from my current crew but I have had that problem in the past.

Oh yeah I have as well that when I start nit picking everything until they either fall in line or quit.

 

[Blakesmaster]

LOL, that's kind of a sore spot with me. I've had a few think that I should pay them more after they found out what I made on a job or two. Jobs that I sold, climbed and covered my ass with my own insurance to do. I generally ask them did you put your ass on the line to climb the job? Did you sell the Job? Did you use your equipment to do the job? Who would have taken the loss if property was damaged doing the job?

Don't get me wrong. My guys usually get paid more than their average wage when I do well. Lunches are usually bought for them as well as beer at the end of the day. I get no complaints from my current crew but I have had that problem in the past.

#### yeah. I don't tell anyone that works for me what I make on a job. It sounds like a lot to someone who doesn't know the cost of operating. Heck, I still barely know the cost of operating. lol.

 

[ropensaddle]

#### yeah. I don't tell anyone that works for me what I make on a job. It sounds like a lot to someone who doesn't know the cost of operating. Heck, I still barely know the cost of operating. lol.

Most times your dern lucky to get the cost of operating. If you did make any profit some leach would just claim it. This business might not be so bad if it were not for the leaches and cockroaches!

 

[tree md]

#### yeah. I don't tell anyone that works for me what I make on a job. It sounds like a lot to someone who doesn't know the cost of operating. Heck, I still barely know the cost of operating. lol.

Yeah, I try not to ever let on about what I am doing the job for. It creates jealousy a lot of the time. Sometimes it's unavoidable. Like you said, they only see the money changing hands on that end. They don't see what you are paying out.

I had a weekend warrior stop by and ask me what I was doing a couple of trees for last week. I think he was the same yo yo who underbid it by nearly half to begin with. Luckily I was referred there and the HO had seen me work before and wanted me to do the job. Anyway, this dude was working down the street and stopped by to ask me how much I was doing the trees for. He said that one woman told him that guys were doing trees the size I was working on around that neighborhood for $200 a piece. Said he was curious what the pros were charging. I told him I was subcontracting the job and had no idea what the contractor was charging (lie). I had to rope several limbs out of both of these trees. Half of both trees were over the house and I told him that $200 wouldn't be worth my while.

 

[ropensaddle]

Yeah, I try not to ever let on about what I am doing the job for. It creates jealousy a lot of the time. Sometimes it's unavoidable. Like you said, they only see the money changing hands on that end. They don't see what you are paying out.

I had a weekend warrior stop by and ask me what I was doing a couple of trees for last week. I think he was the same yo yo who underbid it by nearly half to begin with. Luckily I was referred there and the HO had seen me work before and wanted me to do the job. Anyway, this dude was working down the street and stopped by to ask me how much I was doing the trees for. He said that one woman told him that guys were doing trees the size I was working on around that neighborhood for $200 a piece. Said he was curious what the pros were charging. I told him I was subcontracting the job and had no idea what the contractor was charging (lie). I had to rope several limbs out of both of these trees. Half of both trees were over the house and I told him that $200 wouldn't be worth my while.

You should of said I wish lol then he would have thought you did them cheaper and bid too low a worked two weeks for a hundred smackers lmfao

 

[tree md]

You should of said I wish lol then he would have thought you did them cheaper and bid too low a worked two weeks for a hundred smackers lmfao

It's hard enough trying to bid behind the low balling ####ers. I didn't want to encourage him to go any lower. I just figured I'd let him figure it out for himself. Not easy working behind the door knockers working for beer money and bidding work that they would prolly end up walking away from anyhow.

 

[ropensaddle]

It's hard enough trying to bid behind the low balling ####ers. I didn't want to encourage him to go any lower. I just figured I'd let him figure it out for himself. Not easy working behind the door knockers working for beer money and bidding work that they would prolly end up walking away from anyhow.

You make a point.

 

[Blakesmaster]

they would prolly end up walking away from anyhow.

Yeah, what the hell is it with that ####? Seems half the HO's I'm talking to these days say I'm 3rd, 4th, 5th tree guy they called/talked to and I'm the only one that showed up. Then you get the ones that are asking me if I'm sure I'll be back to do the job and whatnot. WTH? You got my contract in your hand, don't you?

 

[treeclimber101]

Don't matter what the boss makes. When you hire on you work for the wages you agreed to. I'm sure there are bonuses and perks but would you expect to get a chunk of the profits from Mickey D's if you were a manager there just because they have served over a billion?

I just don't get it where people think they should get a bigger chunk of the money just because the owner has done well. Have you sacrificed, taken the risk and put in the time, money, advertising, blood sweat and tears to make that business happen? Not knocking anyone for wanting a decent wage but last I checked good climbers make pretty good dough. No sense in getting your panties in a wad over what the owner is making.

I also believe that OD's relationship with his boss is his business and no one else's. If he is happy than that should be of no concern to anyone but him and his employer.

Sure it matters what the boss makes , so in your mind sending out a man who makes 12 an hr. driving a 60 thousand truck seems equal , see how long these guys take to demolish that piece of equipment the pay should balance money spent in other areas of the business , in your mind they have no resentment and em if they do huh, guess you were never in cheap shoes ...

 

[treeclimber101]

Yeah, I try not to ever let on about what I am doing the job for. It creates jealousy a lot of the time. Sometimes it's unavoidable. Like you said, they only see the money changing hands on that end. They don't see what you are paying out.

I had a weekend warrior stop by and ask me what I was doing a couple of trees for last week. I think he was the same yo yo who underbid it by nearly half to begin with. Luckily I was referred there and the HO had seen me work before and wanted me to do the job. Anyway, this dude was working down the street and stopped by to ask me how much I was doing the trees for. He said that one woman told him that guys were doing trees the size I was working on around that neighborhood for $200 a piece. Said he was curious what the pros were charging. I told him I was subcontracting the job and had no idea what the contractor was charging (lie). I had to rope several limbs out of both of these trees. Half of both trees were over the house and I told him that $200 wouldn't be worth my while.

No your dead wrong on that a good employee knows exactly what the other side of the fence is like , and by you even acting as if they have no concept of what it costs to be you than your wrong , my guys see invoices for parts often pick up trucks and pay repair bills with company checks, they know what I base my per man hr. at and what I pay to have them on that job, the truth of the matter is most smart guys don't want the headaches and gladly trade the money for the piece of mind and sanity...So whats left for me to hide if you have an estimator he knows everything or a secratary who writes checks come on think about it..

 

[tree md]

Sure it matters what the boss makes , so in your mind sending out a man who makes 12 an hr. driving a 60 thousand truck seems equal , see how long these guys take to demolish that piece of equipment the pay should balance money spent in other areas of the business , in your mind they have no resentment and em if they do huh, guess you were never in cheap shoes ...

My lowest paid man makes more than $12 an hour... for dragging brush.

 

[tree md]

No your dead wrong on that a good employee knows exactly what the other side of the fence is like , and by you even acting as if they have no concept of what it costs to be you than your wrong , my guys see invoices for parts often pick up trucks and pay repair bills with company checks, they know what I base my per man hr. at and what I pay to have them on that job, the truth of the matter is most smart guys don't want the headaches and gladly trade the money for the piece of mind and sanity...So whats left for me to hide if you have an estimator he knows everything or a secratary who writes checks come on think about it..

I've had guys who are regulars on this site pick up my checks when they are through with the jobs I put them on. Nothing to hide here. I just don't broadcast what every job is done for. I think that is smart business myself.

 

[treeclimber101]

My lowest paid man makes more than $12 an hour... for dragging brush.

I am not saying he doesn't I am simply trying to make a point that if someone is pulling big numbers than he should be taking some home with him on Friday, and it would seem that from some comments made in this thread there are a few who may be getting the high hard one from the boss, thats all and frankly a little :censored: up

 

[treeclimber101]

I don't count myself as an employee and it costs me about 125 and hr. to put a crew out on a job with all the equipment that they need to work , so I try to get at least 250 and on good work 300 hr. to make any kind of profit and I truly think that it should be more ...

 

[tree md]

Bottom line 101, you may meet me, Rope N Saddle, Tree Vet or OD someday at a storm party. Who knows, I might be the one to get your foot in the door. You might bring more equipment to bare on the job than I have. But I may be your local connect. You may want to work through my advertising network or existing client base if I am overwhelmed. If I had you lined out for $2000 a job for as far as you could see would you worry about what I was making? It has happened before brother trust me. Why belittle the working man who is making it the best he can right now and try to cause strife and say he is not making enough or getting his fair share... That's not your call.

You seem to have a hard on for OD and I for one don't understand it. He seems to be doing fine to me and it's not your worry what he makes. The experience he is gaining now just might be what makes him be able to work a little more efficient than you and be a real competitor to you someday.

 

[treeclimber101]

Bottom line 101, you may meet me, Rope N Saddle, Tree Vet or OD someday at a storm party. Who knows, I might be the one to get your foot in the door. You might bring more equipment to bare on the job than I have. But I may be your local connect. You may want to work through my advertising network or existing client base if I am overwhelmed. If I had you lined out for $2000 a job for as far as you could see would you worry about what I was making? It has happened before brother trust me. Why belittle the working man who is making it the best he can right now and try to cause strife and say he is not making enough or getting his fair share... That's not your call.

You seem to have a hard on for OD and I for one don't understand it. He seems to be doing fine to me and it's not your worry what he makes. The experience he is gaining now just might be what makes him be able to work a little more efficient than you and be a real competitor to you someday.

I would come to you for 2000 a day and when work was done rub your back or whatever else... If you could line me up just a month or two of that...

 

[treeclimber101]

Bottom line 101, you may meet me, Rope N Saddle, Tree Vet or OD someday at a storm party. Who knows, I might be the one to get your foot in the door. You might bring more equipment to bare on the job than I have. But I may be your local connect. You may want to work through my advertising network or existing client base if I am overwhelmed. If I had you lined out for $2000 a job for as far as you could see would you worry about what I was making? It has happened before brother trust me. Why belittle the working man who is making it the best he can right now and try to cause strife and say he is not making enough or getting his fair share... That's not your call.

You seem to have a hard on for OD and I for one don't understand it. He seems to be doing fine to me and it's not your worry what he makes. The experience he is gaining now just might be what makes him be able to work a little more efficient than you and be a real competitor to you someday.

I am not at all belittling him I think that he is worth more bottom line .......OD is a major reason why MARQUIS makes money , its not the chipper the crane or the trucks its the men, you can give **** equipment to someone capable and they would still make ya money..

 

[ropensaddle]

I would come to you for 2000 a day and when work was done rub your back or whatever else... If you could line me up just a month or two of that...

Lol I would go there faster but I can arrange a back rub but wont be doing it

 

[tree md]

I would come to you for 2000 a day and when work was done rub your back or whatever else... If you could line me up just a month or two of that...

If you brought a crane with you in a storm situation that would be very doable... I like motion lotion and I don't want my back rubbed...

 

[TreeTarget]

...finished helping the boss move. Looking forward to getting back to work, bum foot and all. Been too long getting callouses from "non" tree work. Pretty sure the slave-driver will be roaring to go come Monday. Going to be a good summer.