whats a good belt and safety for palms

[contourbs]

what about a 2 in 1 lanyard by wraping around the tree and the third to the ladder with the ladder itself tied off to the tree also :blob5:

 

[tinman44]

thats creative but hard to imagine

 

[Lumberjack]

Yes, there may be, but they aren't here teaching newbies the stupid thing they do. I understand that this is the "new" Arboristsite, and we're all supposed to nice and fruffy, but teaching new climbers that ANSI is hogwash and safety is stupid, just doesn't cut it with me. It's dangerous and shows his totaly lack of understanding of what it takes to have a safe carrier in the industry.
Why do you think you see so many hacks? Because the information is handed down from one hack to the next. The chain was never broken. Ask a good climber where he learned to climb, he'll say things like: college, trade shows, arbormaster, internet, books, ect.
Then ask a hack, he'll say from my uncle, he worked line clearance.

I learned what I know from here, and other sights like this. I also read books and articles online and in magazines for approx. 2-3 years before I climbed my first tree.

Over a year ago, I borrowed my first books from Butch. I have read and own all ANSI books that sherrill offers, along with the little book for them. Futhermore, I own many of the books that Sherrill offers, with another order to pick up the rest of the books I dont already have. I think they have 7 or 8 that I dont have that are relavant to me (I dont need to know about the west coast) and next order, they are all coming.

I am headed to Montgomery, AL in a couple months to become a certified arborist through ISA. I have also recieved the info on becoming accredited through TCIA, and am considering that for my company. I am in the process of recieving contracts for my services at 3 colleges right now as a consulting arborist and for my services.

It would seem that I try to learn all that I can, and continue my eduction so that I can use my knowledge to expand my buisness.

If your require a book to tell you how to be safe, then your in the wrong profession. Common sense is the biggest contributer to saftey, not a book telling you to tie in when you can fall, and be redundant with your saftey gear because stuff happens.

I have never said (that I remember) that ANSI is hogwash, or that they are not valid points. This shows that you know nothing about me. Also, the other crowd that dislikes me, doesnt like me because I jumped on Big John for among other things, saying that ANSI was "hog wash". This shows your total lack of understanding of what I am about. Why not get to know me? I regularly talk to several members on AS, one I talk to almost every day.

About the ANSI-natzi, I meant its either 4' or 6', i didnt know which. Someone such as yourself would chime in and cite the reference and the measurement. I was in my dorm room, and the ANSI standards book was 3 feet away, under my bed, I didnt feel like reaching over, picking it up and finding the exact measurement. By the way, you never answered if it was 4 or 6'?

Its AMAZING that in my first year and a half, I have had no injuries that where covered under ANSI, and only one that was caused by not using common sense. I have had around 20 people work for me over this last year, most with minimal training, and yet none have been hurt, as well as I have never been hurt.

Perhaps you should get to know someone before you call them a hack thats against ANSI, and general saftey. It seems that I am one of the better, or perhaps just smarter, tree companies in the area. I have a removal to do that everyone else in the area said couldnt be done. There is nothing wrong with the tree, just its size and location make it hard to do, no biggie (except the price, kinda pumped about that) to do the tree.

I am also in college there ole buddy.

 

[Ekka]

Phew

This is getting a bit nasty. I'm in Australia and we don't have as many "standards" for the industry as you guys but we do adopt a lot of the ANSI standards (once converted to metric! )

I've seen and learned a hell of a lot from unqualified people, and some of them would be the fastest safest guys in the business. And I've also hired some nancy boys with qualifications that should take a desk job.

Yeah, 4' or 6', I don't care either but if you read my post it's probably the safest way to go, and if anything, Contourbs, needs to tie in the top of the ladder separately to his ropes etc.

As far as standing on the ground with one of those pole-saws, how long before a seed pod etc comes sailing down the shaft and breaks his thumb? Before you know it guys have the saw straight up at 90 degrees whilst standing on a bin or something then get struck by falling debris. The other thing I've found is you get a far more professional job when cutting aloft as you can get between the fronds to get at stuff. And finally, how do you tie something up when using a pole-saw?

I'm sure the Tree Climbers Companion suggest accessing a tree from a ladder you should have lifeline in 1st, climb up and secure in with lanyard!

 

[MasterBlaster]

The 4 foot rule I spoke of earlier was an offshore OSHA rule, I'm not sure at all what the arborist OSHA ruling is...

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

i seem to feel the same as most, it is more the proper technique of using the humblest of belts; than having the finest belt.

i also carry a 4' loop runner/1" webbing sling; will sometimes choke that around the palm as a safety. i think all the safety connections should be round turns or chokes onthe spar. So, as to be 'dead-manned' in whatever; like on a regular tree, only without the branchings, you need a choke or round turn etc. to grip as a replacemeant for the stop on the rope.

If i can't choke ladder to tree spar with another loopie or line, i will pass thru it with one of the tieoffs as Mike suggests. A rope with loops tied in it, choked over your head on the tree, gives a few steps off of ladder, lil shaky, stay tied in. Loop runner for other foot gives fair standing stability. Lanyard around crown of 6+ healthy fronds, with backup, giving fair tiein for me, with upper support, more comfy with at least 1 leg of lanyard coming to front D's.

i've heard both 4' and 6'; also that a 6'drop and catch by side D's will rip a man's spleen out. You ain't gonna die, but ya won't like it neither; and still get a ride to hospital. So the lanyards were made as 6' standard, folded in half to support in basket, assuring a max drop of 3'. With that imagery, i have kept my lines with lil'slack!

Doctors, Lawyers, Mechanics etc. are expected to continually educate themselves in their fields too. Typically just out of training in school for years, they are just ready to start learning too. They barely have the tools to step into their dynamic worlds competantly, as they also must expand with it. Life on the Line is no different; especially in the large growth of that science and the biological science, of that, which we due; whose growth specifically applied to us!


"Life on a Line" is actually a free mountain climbing online book; first section fantastic for specialty knots etc.

 

[Yellowdog]

Then ask a hack, he'll say from my uncle, he worked line clearance.

I'm not a climber but I understand where you are coming from. Just yesterday I was discussing oak wilt with a neighbor of a friend of mine. He said he used to be in the tree business with his uncle. "Yeah, we topped trees in the summer." I immediately thought, "Hack".

I see where it comes from. Passed on from generation to generation. I see it in my profession every day. I am foremost a land clearing professional but take pride in the individual trees we work on. Our company stresses preservation but I am competing with Joe Backhoe and Billy Bulldozer who will do anything for money thus raping the land and adding to the epidemic of oak wilt we have in this area. The job may be different and the methods applied may differ but the concept is the same. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.

I was just reading about spike injuries to palms this morning. Learned something new...

 

[Yellowdog]

Doctors, Lawyers, Mechanics etc. are expected to continually educate themselves in their fields too. Typically just out of training in school for years, they are just ready to start learning too. They barely have the tools to step into their dynamic worlds competantly, as they also must expand with it. Life on the Line is no different; especially in the large growth of that science and the biological science, of that, which we due; whose growth specifically applied to us!

This is well spoken!