not avoidng anything/anyone here, as i have zero to prove to anyone here. we raise and wholesale trees here on a modest piece of property. and also have 2 crews that maintain fire trails and right of way for dome pipeline, trans-canada and a few others as well.what else would you 2 like to know. i asked a few questions about logging out west, and the california girls get there panties in a twist. what pics would you like to see? i have some pics, would it satisfy you, or would you just say "how can we be sure that is you"? what do any pics really prove anyway? brad snelling puts every life event on the net, and we all know what kind of creditbility/following he has here, big deal. if you are real super loggers than good for you. i have never been to west coast, nor have any desire to. the state of california provides little to no value to this country in my eyes. as i stated, i have absolutely ZERO TO PROVE to anyone here, nor they to me. if you cannot answer a few questions, or take a harmless jab once in a while, then i feel sorry for you. i refuse to argue over nothing, in an online forum no less.