who makes the best diesel truck?

[yodayoda]

In my opinion it goes back to what I said earlier in a different thread, the domestic car companies are not run by "car" people anymore, instead they are run by a bunch of greedy, over educated idiots, that couldn't fix a snugy if they had to.

To add insult to injury, to cut warranty expense, guess what thy do? shift the expense to their dealers by reimbursing their dealers about 1/4 of the time it takes to fix these trucks, the dealers are losing good diesel techs like crazy.

Our Ford rep will not even come back in the shop anymore when he does come around, prolly worried He will get a blanket party

 

[madmax]

One reason... Marketing. International wanted to make the 6.4L and the 6.0L a V-6. Both times Ford said they'd need a V-8 for Marketing.

If Ford had put the DT466 in their F-250/350, I probably wouldn't be driving a Dodge. Of course, they'd have to have used the P-Pump to really get my attention.

Thanks for the explanation, Ive been wondering about that for awhile, I always thought it was a smart assed Ford engineer out to prove something. And I have to agree with ya about the DT466, I would like to see one built to its full potential, I bet it would scream. (I have a old IH Scout thats been parked for yrs', I'm starting to formulate a plan here.)

 

[mdavlee]

The 360 is a lot smaller and lighter than the 466. It is real close to the 5.9 cummins in size. They are pretty good on fuel in school buses so they should do real well in something small.

 

[Marco]

A mechanical injected dt360 on a 5 speed Spicer that was geared to run 3,000 rpm at 65mph would get 12 mpg in a bus that would have been 65 passenger without the wheel chair lift. This was on a transfer route with limited stops. Not bad for something that cuts the wind like a sledgehammer and weighs like 6-7 ton empty.

 

[mdavlee]

Yeah a friend of mine drove one of them for 13 years until the county retired it. It got a third better mileage than the 466 or 444. I tried to buy the bus, but the county shipped it to the other end of the state to sell it. I was going to swap it into a 2000 F-250 I had.

 

[motoroilmccall]

A mechanical injected dt360 on a 5 speed Spicer that was geared to run 3,000 rpm at 65mph would get 12 mpg in a bus that would have been 65 passenger without the wheel chair lift. This was on a transfer route with limited stops. Not bad for something that cuts the wind like a sledgehammer and weighs like 6-7 ton empty.

3 Grand at 65mph? The things only run to 3300. If it was geared to run at 2000 at 65 it might do decent in a truck.

 

[Marco]

a pickup

 

[motoroilmccall]

a pickup

That's what I meant... My Cummins turns about 1900 at 65mph, but thats with 35's. I get real close to 20MPG if I keep it at 65, a lot lower if I go up to 75.

 

[madmax]

Just outta curiosity, what kinda HP is the DT360 capable of?

 

[motoroilmccall]

Modded? Well with a P-pump as much as you can flow to it... I've seen 466's well over 1000HP, so as long as the 360 has a similar bottom end tolerance it should be good to 8-9 hundred HP. Stock they aren't going to make 300hp, but they don't need to.

 

[madmax]

Modded? Well with a P-pump as much as you can flow to it... I've seen 466's well over 1000HP, so as long as the 360 has a similar bottom end tolerance it should be good to 8-9 hundred HP. Stock they aren't going to make 300hp, but they don't need to.

Thanks, Ive been curious about that for awhile, Ive seen the 466s advertised at 900 and a thousand Horses, so that got me thinking about the 360's, which I have never even seen the inside of one, Curiosity got the best of me.

 

[Johndirt82]

Alot of guys will be quick to bag on the new 6.7 cummins but if you gut all the emissions crap off of them put a tuner , intake and 5" turbo back exhaust its a beast and has never givin' me a bit of lip. wish I could say the same about the wife. doh!

 

[epicklein22]

How hard was it to get rid of that emissions stuff? Seems like a lot of people are hesitant to do it and seems I read that if you remove some of it, your truck wouldn't start or something like that.

 

[Johndirt82]

Thats all B.S. I have a straight pipe with dummy sensors in it and a fooler box. Truck thinks the particulate filter is still there. I have no egr stuff either, whom ever thought that pumping hot soot filled air into your intake was a good idea needs to go fall off a cliff. The truck runs beyond great. better than stock by bar. Low egt's, 20MPG on the hwy and rolls the coal pretty good when you turn the edge juice to level 6. If you are interested Pm me and i'll show you where to get it all.

 

[Ten_Bucks]

Thats all B.S. I have a straight pipe with dummy sensors in it and a fooler box. Truck thinks the particulate filter is still there. I have no egr stuff either, whom ever thought that pumping hot soot filled air into your intake was a good idea needs to go fall off a cliff. The truck runs beyond great. better than stock by bar. Low egt's, 20MPG on the hwy and rolls the coal pretty good when you turn the edge juice to level 6. If you are interested Pm me and i'll show you where to get it all.

So you're running one of the early emissions foolers instead of a Smarty or XRT? Also, have you checked out this site at all:

http://cumminsforum.com/

Scott

 

[epicklein22]

Thats all B.S. I have a straight pipe with dummy sensors in it and a fooler box. Truck thinks the particulate filter is still there. I have no egr stuff either, whom ever thought that pumping hot soot filled air into your intake was a good idea needs to go fall off a cliff. The truck runs beyond great. better than stock by bar. Low egt's, 20MPG on the hwy and rolls the coal pretty good when you turn the edge juice to level 6. If you are interested Pm me and i'll show you where to get it all.

Sweet! I will have to let people know it is BS about the emissions crap. That is the biggest knock on the 6.7. I not in the market for one now, but will be down the road eventually. I got a buddy who is a mopar fanatic, he will be happy to hear this news.

 

[Johndirt82]

Yeah and I have put about 40k miles on it since and never had any issues. I get egr low flow codes all the time, but the edge clears them not that they matter anyways. Have not tried the smarty or anything else I like the set up I have now. If I win the lottery , its gettin duel CP3's and big injectors along with about 10 G's of engine and tranny work to support it. One day haha.

 

[Ten_Bucks]

Yeah and I have put about 40k miles on it since and never had any issues. I get egr low flow codes all the time, but the edge clears them not that they matter anyways. Have not tried the smarty or anything else I like the set up I have now. If I win the lottery , its gettin duel CP3's and big injectors along with about 10 G's of engine and tranny work to support it. One day haha.

Yeah, I hear you on that. I'd suggest getting a Smarty R14ME for it though. Its the best 685 bucks you can spend on your truck. If you want a hook up on a place to get one, PM me.

Scott

 

[yodayoda]

I was wondering how long it would take the aftermarket to come up with a kit to eliminate all the emmisions crap on the 6.7. I don't blame you guys at all for doing it. Just keep in mind you've voided your 100k warranty on $15,000 engine.

 

[giXXer]

How hard was it to get rid of that emissions stuff? Seems like a lot of people are hesitant to do it and seems I read that if you remove some of it, your truck wouldn't start or something like that.

I just replaced my Super Duty Powerstroke truck with a Dodge Cummins and after quite a bit of research the biggest drawback to the new Cummins (other than the fact that it comes with a Dodge wrapper) IS the DPF and EGR. Removing this equipment makes the truck run like it should, but voids the factory warranty. I don't want to have to put all of that crap back on the truck in case of a warranty claim.

The information you received about trucks not starting is not entirely untrue. The edge juice programmers, like mentioned previously, have been relatively trouble free on the new Cummins. However, there are several programmers that are detected by the factory ECM which is then disabled. With the new "black box" technology the ECM even logs how many times it has been flashed and what types of changes were made. This information is then uploaded to Dodge automatically via the internet every time the dealer does any diagnostics. Information such as top speed, highest RPM, etc., including ECM alterations are recorded. IF, and it's a big if, Dodge detects any programming alterations you lose your warranty. I thought it was all a load of B.S. until I saw the bulletin right from Dodge. There are also some guys on the cummins forum that have lost their warranties and had to pay $600+ for a new ECM. There are, of course, ways around this and a good relationship or connection at your dealership always helps. I am still undecided on what I am going to do. It's kind of a bummer that my new 6.7 Cummins would absolutely get it's doors sucked off by a 260,000 mile powerstroke, but my Ford ate a lot of drivetrain parts at my expense. I do quite a bit of snow plowing which is pretty hard on trucks so I am looking forward to having no repair bills for the next couple of years. Dilemmas, dilemmas!