who makes the best diesel truck?

[yodayoda]

quote "This information is then uploaded to Dodge automatically via the internet every time the dealer does any diagnostics. Information such as top speed, highest RPM, etc., including ECM alterations are recorded".


This information is in the cummins ECM, but I'm not aware of anyway this information would be automatically uploaded to Dodge, What bulletin are you referring to?

 

[Johndirt82]

Its absolutely worth taking it all off , yes I voided my warranty but I have extended the engine life and have no DPF or EGR crap to worry about so I doubt I will ever need the warranty. That and the fuel mileage increased quite nicely , EGTs are in the 600s on the hwy with 3-5lbs of boost , and it will go high 13's in the qtr mile. I have 64k miles on it trouble free and im pretty hard on truck.

 

[yodayoda]

Its absolutely worth taking it all off , yes I voided my warranty but I have extended the engine life and have no DPF or EGR crap to worry about so I doubt I will ever need the warranty. That and the fuel mileage increased quite nicely , EGTs are in the 600s on the hwy with 3-5lbs of boost , and it will go high 13's in the qtr mile. I have 64k miles on it trouble free and im pretty hard on truck.

Do you remove the egr and cap it off? or does the edge just disable egr flow?

Egr on a diesel is just a bad idea in my head. I've had to remove and clean egr passages on the 6.7 and on the 2.8 Liberty diesel. That egr soot, seems to me, has to be abrasive, and increase engine wear.

It's not Dodge or Cummins fault, write your congressman.

 

[Johndirt82]

Yeah its capped off with a pretty cool billet cap that I got on ebay of all places that says cummins racing on it, looks nice. the pipe has a round aluminum disc in the end of it with the clamp back on it blocks off the egr cooler. I think the cooler is going to go completely soon. I know there is a block off kit for it. Hot soot in your intake , is no bueno , it kills oil and engine life. I get 2 codes on the edge for the egr flow but whatever it doesn't effect how the truck runs and the edge can clear them. heres a couple pics. No one can see my exhaust underneath, and my truck has no emblems, everyone thinks its hemi 1500, until i blow smoke and leavem in a cloud, southern california don't know country boys. haha.

 

[Ten_Bucks]

Yeah its capped off with a pretty cool billet cap that I got on ebay of all places that says cummins racing on it, looks nice. the pipe has a round aluminum disc in the end of it with the clamp back on it blocks off the egr cooler. I think the cooler is going to go completely soon. I know there is a block off kit for it. Hot soot in your intake , is no bueno , it kills oil and engine life. I get 2 codes on the edge for the egr flow but whatever it doesn't effect how the truck runs and the edge can clear them. heres a couple pics. No one can see my exhaust underneath, and my truck has no emblems, everyone thinks its hemi 1500, until i blow smoke and leavem in a cloud, southern california don't know country boys. haha.

I like how you have the exhaust dumping down under the truck before the rear axle. Not too many people do that and its different. I'm all for being different.

Scott

 

[Johndirt82]

I made that 45degree tip piece out of the 18" mega cab extention that came with the kit. Its a silverline 5.9 kit full 5" turbo back it fits great it just has the 5 sensor bungs welded into it with the dummy box. I have the rest of the exhaust but it hung really low behind the rear tires and rubbed the rear shock. Taking out that section dropped my egts a bit too. That and it sounds mean but can barely hear it on the hwy.

 

[Ten_Bucks]

I made that 45degree tip piece out of the 18" mega cab extention that came with the kit. Its a silverline 5.9 kit full 5" turbo back it fits great it just has the 5 sensor bungs welded into it with the dummy box. I have the rest of the exhaust but it hung really low behind the rear tires and rubbed the rear shock. Taking out that section dropped my egts a bit too. That and it sounds mean but can barely hear it on the hwy.

Is the underside of your truck after the exhaust covered in soot?

Scott

 

[Johndirt82]

Nope not that I have noticed. I hit it with the steam hose at work once in a while to get the gunk off but no soot build up. It blows straight at the ground .

 

[Bearcreek]

It's rust protection. just like the leaky rear seal on my truck.

 

[Ten_Bucks]

Nope not that I have noticed. I hit it with the steam hose at work once in a while to get the gunk off but no soot build up. It blows straight at the ground .

Thats good. The common thing I hear when people are talking about having the exhaust exit like yours is soot being covered all over the bottom of the truck after the exhaust.

Scott

 

[Johndirt82]

Rust protection , I like that one. If it ever gets wet in southern california I might have to worry about rust. Everytime I go visit the family in Oregon I always see old rusted out toyota 4x4s and wonder what is holding them together.

 

[Bearcreek]

The rust here in northeast Ohio is horrible. It's humid most of the time, we get a ton of rain and snow and they salt the roads like there's no tomorrow. It's amazing to me the difference in corrosion on vehicles that are from the south and west. Our region is like truck hell. It's where trucks go to be eaten away and die.

 

[giXXer]

quote "This information is then uploaded to Dodge automatically via the internet every time the dealer does any diagnostics. Information such as top speed, highest RPM, etc., including ECM alterations are recorded".


This information is in the cummins ECM, but I'm not aware of anyway this information would be automatically uploaded to Dodge, What bulletin are you referring to?

It was a bulletin that someone put on cumminsforum.com in a pdf that referred to the loss of warranty, ecm issues, and how the dealer is to handle them. The bulletin did not address the upload to Dodge. That information came from the dealership and was also discussed in the same thread as the bulletin. From what I understand, and this information is third hand, the scan tools that are currently being used are connected to the internet via a wireless router so they can be updated with the latest and greatest software. When the downloads are being done Dodge also uploads information from your truck. The dealer says this is all for Dodge's benefit and for research purposes. It didn't seem too far fetched for me to believe, especially considering the technology being used on new vehicles.

 

[yodayoda]

It was a bulletin that someone put on cumminsforum.com in a pdf that referred to the loss of warranty, ecm issues, and how the dealer is to handle them. The bulletin did not address the upload to Dodge. That information came from the dealership and was also discussed in the same thread as the bulletin. From what I understand, and this information is third hand, the scan tools that are currently being used are connected to the internet via a wireless router so they can be updated with the latest and greatest software. When the downloads are being done Dodge also uploads information from your truck. The dealer says this is all for Dodge's benefit and for research purposes. It didn't seem too far fetched for me to believe, especially considering the technology being used on new vehicles.

Huh, interesting, the wireless and how the ecm is updated is all correct, and I suppose it is possible they could be uploading info at the same time.

I've sent Dodge data, of recordings I've made before, to help diagnose intermittent or difficult to diagnose vehicles, but it always took some action on my part, never heard of them doing it automatically, I really doubt they would void anybodies warranty without the Dealer initiating the process, sounds like a bs scare tactic to me, but who knows, times are tough,anythings possible.

On the other hand, if you are modding your truck, it may be a good idea to have a good relationship with your dealer and try not doing something to piss em off, cause I know for a fact, 1 phone call from the dealer and your warranty is gone.

 

[t613]

It was a bulletin that someone put on cumminsforum.com in a pdf that referred to the loss of warranty, ecm issues, and how the dealer is to handle them. The bulletin did not address the upload to Dodge. That information came from the dealership and was also discussed in the same thread as the bulletin. From what I understand, and this information is third hand, the scan tools that are currently being used are connected to the internet via a wireless router so they can be updated with the latest and greatest software. When the downloads are being done Dodge also uploads information from your truck. The dealer says this is all for Dodge's benefit and for research purposes. It didn't seem too far fetched for me to believe, especially considering the technology being used on new vehicles.

+1. Was talking to our fleet mechanic (all us brands). He said the same thing. They have a wireless plug-in for the vehicles OBD-II connector that connects through the Internet. This allows the vehicles signals to be passed to corporate to assist in difficult troubleshooting scenarios as well as take a look into the ECM to check for mods. The dealer may not know, or even ask you, but Mama Dodge is watching!

He also sid Ford and Chevy have just come out with a similar system, so nobody is safe!

 

[djmercer1]

+1. Was talking to our fleet mechanic (all us brands). He said the same thing. They have a wireless plug-in for the vehicles OBD-II connector that connects through the Internet. This allows the vehicles signals to be passed to corporate to assist in difficult troubleshooting scenarios as well as take a look into the ECM to check for mods. The dealer may not know, or even ask you, but Mama Dodge is watching!

He also sid Ford and Chevy have just come out with a similar system, so nobody is safe!

the necessary systems to track programmers on the gms has been place since the lly in 2004. most dealers didnt know how to access it as it required looking up torque tables and other information deep inside the ecm/tcm beyond the realm of repairing the vehicle. the lmm have a much more accessable way of tattling on people using programmers..... i dont know of a gm system that sends the info back to gm without action on the techie though....

 

[giXXer]

At first, the whole "black box Big Brother" thing seemed a little far-fetched to me too, but you never know. I am assuming that due to the number of cars and trucks on the road the shear volume of information being collected would be huge. Would they ever sift through it all just to gig a warranty from a paying customer? I highly doubt it. However, if you had a problem truck or tried initiating the lemon law, would Dodge access that information if possible? I would think so.

After all of the information and mis-information that I received prior to buying the truck (08 Dodge 6.7L) a friend at the local dealership explained it in terms that are most applicable to me. If the warranty is important to you, don't mess with the emissions or the computer and sell the truck prior to the warranty expiring and deal with the truck's dpf issues and the fact it is slowly killing itself with EGR and higher EGT's (not to mention, absolutely horrible fuel mileage). If you want to keep the truck for a long period of time, the warranty isn't as important as the truck running the way it should, and you want to unlock the power and true potential of the engine, get the edge juice with attitude, mp-8, dpf delete with aftermarket turbo back exhaust, egr block-off kit, cold air intake, and a set of new rear tires (to be installed after "test & tune"). Knowing what I know now, I probably should have listened to everyone's advice and taken the money I spent on the new truck and put it into my 99 super duty and built a fire breathing 7.3 or done a Cummins into Ford swap. The super duty didn't have any warranty left, but it also didn't have a monthly payment!

 

[jrr344]

Many companies make diesel Truck. But I think the Dodge is the best company makes diesel Truck. Dodge Company, especially given the technology used in new vehicles. This engine is very quiet and makes a ton of energy and is connected to Allison, who is by far the best auto tranny as an alternative to Big 3 diesel.

Cummins makes the diesel, Dodge makes the junk around it.

 

[audible fart]

I guess 99.9% of all new diesel pickups are automatics with no standard trans available? From what I've seen that's the case. Automatic transmissions are boring enough, but one with a woman's name? I'll stick with the older trucks "allison" my love.

 

[jrr344]

I guess 99.9% of all new diesel pickups are automatics with no standard trans available? From what I've seen that's the case. Automatic transmissions are boring enough, but one with a woman's name? I'll stick with the older trucks "allison" my love.

Allison is a very good tranny, but I am like you I like a Manual transmission.