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Installing crank bearings using heat may not be for you!
If you have to follow a manual word for word then this method may not be for you, this thread is just for info. I have used the method described here for over 45 years now and had no problems show up by doing the install this way.
A source of heat is required, a hot plate with a piece of plate steel on it, a hot air heat gun ,a oven of any sort or even a torch will do.
Have the two bearings and the crank cleaned and ready.
I place a heavy piece of angle iron and clamp it in the vice, mine is 3/8"X4X4X 12" long and leave 6" of it stick out from the vice jaws. The throw of the crank sits on over the end of the angle iron and supports the crank, either end up will do.
Heat the bearing up to 200-220*F and with a welding glove I pick it up and drop it over the end of the crank that is sticking up, it will almost fall into place but if it does not I have a length of 3/4" black iron water pipe cut to length and a hammer ready, slide the pipe over the crank end and a light tap will seat the bearing. The pipe must contact the inner race only.
Do both bearings this way and let them cool.
Next heat the PTO crankcase half up, the heat gun will do but an oven is better, 210-220 *F is plenty hot. I have a set of blocks set up that supports the case half up about 6" off the bench.
When the case half is hot pick it up with the welding gloves on, sit it on the blocks and then drop the crank with the bearings already on it into place, you won`t have to hit it.
Let that side start to cool down and start heating the opposite side up to 210-220*F . Turn the crankcase open side up. Place the case gasket on the case half and I use the dowel pins for the Stihls or a couple of long case bolts with the heads cut off, these need to be long enough so that they can be removed later, threaded rod pieces work well also. These studs work very well as a guide to help guide the case halves together.
After the case gasket is in place put the gloves on and pick up the the hot flywheel side case and drop it down over the upended crank. They will usually go all the way into place with a hollow clunk sound if done right. Once in a while I have to bap the case with the side of my fist to settle it but not always.
I now install the case bolts and draw the cases tight. Let the assembly cool for 5-10 mins and then try the crank for axial stress, if it needs relief then tap each end a good rap with a brass hammer. That usually relieves the stress and if the assembly is now cool enough start to put the seals in place. I have pieces of pipe cut to length that clears the end of the crank by at least an inch and fits the outside diameter of the seal, very easy to drive the seals this way.
Now reassemble the rest of the saw as required. Happy sawing.
Pioneerguy600
 
Thanks, this kind of stuff is what this site is supposed to be about! - Sam
 
FYI, I use a toaster oven. Crankcases fit in there very nicely. You can find them at yard sales for $10. Plus, there is no open flame or other burn hazard until the door is opened.
 
Nice info Jerry, but you know the rules: without pictures, or even a video, this thread is irrelevant! :greenchainsaw:

Now, a serious question for you Jerry, as well for the other experts. Did you try to insert a "frozen" (home freezer goes down to a temperature of -22ºC) bearing into the hot crankcase ? What were the results ? If not, why not do it?

The same principle can be used to insert the bearings onto the crank. Freeze the crank, warm up the bearings, no?
 
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Nice info Jerry, but you know the rules: without pictures, or even a video, this thread is irrelevant! :greenchainsaw:

Now, a serious question for you Jerry, as well for the other experts. Did you try to insert a "frozen" (home freezer goes down to a temperature of -22ºC) bearing into the hot crankcase ? What were the results ? If not, why not do it?

Yep, next time I do a bearing job I will take picts again, I had them but when my computer melted down the all went away, close to 4000 picts lost last August.
I have not needed to freeze any of the parts, the amount of heat I stated will do the job without freezing. With the mag cases they will expand much more than a steel case would, at 200-220 *F room temp bearings will almost always just drop into place. When I worked as an marine engine fitter in the machine shops and out in the ships we did use dry ice to shrink shafts and heat collars to allow for interference fits and when I change out king pins on the dump trucks or on the excavators dry ice really helps with getting them in place.
Pioneerguy600
 
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Nice info Jerry, but you know the rules: without pictures, or even a video, this thread is irrelevant! :greenchainsaw:

Now, a serious question for you Jerry, as well for the other experts. Did you try to insert a "frozen" (home freezer goes down to a temperature of -22ºC) bearing into the hot crankcase ? What were the results ? If not, why not do it?

The same principle can be used to insert the bearings onto the crank. Freeze the crank, warm up the bearings, no?

If you want to take the time to freeze the crank you can but its not necessary at all.
Pioneerguy600
 
FYI, I use a toaster oven. Crankcases fit in there very nicely. You can find them at yard sales for $10. Plus, there is no open flame or other burn hazard until the door is opened.

Yep a toaster oven big enough to hold a case half would be great for the job, I have a small wall oven I got for free from a remodelling job I did for a friend.
Pioneerguy600
 
Thanks for the great info. I will try this method with my 066.

Hope it works as well for you as it has for me over the years, I just can`t see pulling cases together with long bolts or threaded rod washers, spacers bolts etc. This places a lot of axial stress on the bearings also. Once you get the heat method down pat then it can be done in less than 30 mins, just enough time in between steps for a swig or a sip, just depends what your preference might be.
Pioneerguy600
 
This will be my first bearing job on a saw. I was not sure how smooth it was going to go by putting bearing in the half's first and than the crank in the bearings. This way sounds a lot easier. I read a lot of posts on this subject and this sounds by far the easiest.
 
Iv'e been using heat on bearings for over 25 years.
Not the ideal way for a novice but it is the best way
for me. Just got to be careful too much heat will kill
a bearing.


Lee
 
Hope it works as well for you as it has for me over the years, I just can`t see pulling cases together with long bolts or threaded rod washers, spacers bolts etc. This places a lot of axial stress on the bearings also. Once you get the heat method down pat then it can be done in less than 30 mins, just enough time in between steps for a swig or a sip, just depends what your preference might be.
Pioneerguy600

Thanks Jerry, great method.
 
Now, a serious question for you Jerry, as well for the other experts. Did you try to insert a "frozen" (home freezer goes down to a temperature of -22ºC) bearing into the hot crankcase ? What were the results ? If not, why not do it?

The same principle can be used to insert the bearings onto the crank. Freeze the crank, warm up the bearings, no?

I tried this method, in the freezer, did not care for it. What bothered me was the condensation on the crank, which turned to water. I just don't like the stuff getting watered during assembly.

Very good thread Jerry, I like the just heat idea better!!

:cheers:
Mike
 
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