056 kid chainsaws

[smokechaser]

nice biathc notch
ugly attempt at a humboldt
be careful

 

[Blowdown1]

that must be the confusion, it's a biathc notch.

BTW, what is the proper spelling there? Seeing as how it is practically my name, I'm curious. "D" or no "D"?

 

[056kid]

I love to hear everyones opinions but remember, you are looking at a picture. That tree is not round but more of an oval shape. Yes the notch looks shallow because it is. I was falling it into a big gravel lot so no harm could be done by bad notches. Any ways rotten trees never have hinge wood in the center.

 

[056kid]

for the last 3 weeks i have been having a blast cutting trees that might be prone to starting or fueling fires. So i pretty much run around the woods cutting every dead or dying tree in sight! I have ben trying all different types of notches and things. Last sunday i cut a fir that had a DBH of a tad over 5 feet. It took about 5 minutes just to figure out which way she wanted to go. I proceded to cut a nice shallow humbolt to about the 8 inch ring,(allmost the middle of the tree). Then i cut all the hinge of the sides of the notch leaving about 8 inches of hinge. She fell great and saved a but load of wood. You just gotta have a FAST saw! Later.

 

[bwalker]

That notch is too deep. The remaining could easily fail resulting in a bad situation. The noth on a conventional should go about 1/3 of the way into the stem. I am not sure if this is applcable to a humbolt as I do not use them, but my hunch says it is.

 

[TimberPig]

It shouldn't be more than 50% of the diameter, humboldt or conventional. The undercut in the picture may have worked, but it's too deep.

 

[Bill G]

Well the intent of my post about the pic being interesting was the depth of the notch and the fact that he actually had the time to stand back and take a pic. I am glad to see that many others appear to agree it is a poor attempt at falling. It has been stated by 056 that is was rooten wood. I will the sum it up with my opinion


Rotten Wood + Too deep of a notch = TREE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.

This is my opinion and I wonder if anyone else agrees.

Bill

 

[clearance]

A humbolt is just an upside down conventional undercut. Used if the butt log is merch., the undercut should be 1/4 to 1/3 the diameter of the butt, unless it is a snag, then it should be 1/2. I remember this from the fallers and bucker guidebook published by the W.C.B. of B.C. Generally try to make good falling cuts myself, backcut above the undercut, no dutchman etc. but I they aren't always great.

 

[Blowdown1]

Also, if the tree is rotten and has no good wood in the middle, then why do you care about using a shallow Humbolt to save wood?

Also, could someone respond to this? If you have a rotten trunk, which means little or no hinge wood, wouldn't you want a shallower (depth, not angle) notch so that what good wood is there on the outside will act as a hinge? This is just my assumption, so I'd like to hear from experienced fellers (and gals, har har!). OK, bad joke. But what is good practice?

 

[smokechaser]

Consider this: In a 1 board foot cut of wood( any diameter) 50% of the total volume is in the outer one third. So, heart wood is not the most important wood in the hinge. The outer wood is.

Then i cut all the hinge of the sides of the notch leaving about 8 inches of hinge. She fell great and saved a but load of wood.

Corner nipping should be used for preventing root pull or slabbing. altering the corners in this manner can very dangerous.

for the last 3 weeks i have been having a blast cutting trees that might be prone to starting or fueling fires. So i pretty much run around the woods cutting every dead or dying tree in sight!

I have to assume that you are cutting these trees to comply with senate bill 360 to clean your property for aid in wildfire protection. Remember that cutting the trees down re-arranges the fuel into an arrangement that makes them more available to ground fire. You still have to pile/burn or remove this fuel from your buffer around your property. Sounds like you've made a good start. Keep practicing kid.

 

[056kid]

I dont know about bill 360, but i do know that there upwards of 100 fires every summer around here and we need fire wood to use and sell. cutting the sides off the hinge gives much less control but like i said with a fast saw one can allmost completely eliminate any kind of fiber pull.
That notch may have been not of the best quality but it is not a work of art.

 

[bwalker]

Call me crazy, but around here fiber pull from firewood doesnt downgrade its value..

 

[Blowdown1]

It doesn't burn as well. Fewer BTUs. Cellular entropic degredation of cellulose materials (in this case resulting from fiber pull) has been shown to result in significantly less BTUs and a marked increase in creosote production by virtue of the cell rupture allowing penetration and subsequent absorption of moisture.

Ben, I'm surprised you didn't know this.

 

[smokechaser]

I'm sorry I did not come across clear. Its not a degradable error, it a safety one. Root pull and slabbing are hazards that can cause faller safety issues. Ive had root pulls come up off the side of a tree and just about nut me before. Thats all.

 

[tony marks]

u were thgere . we werent.. but just from the pic. it looks like the faller was in danger he mite not have realised for the last minute or so rhat he was making the notch.. but like u say ,a pic doesnt sometimes give a true view of the situation.. as always ,it aint a perfect world so you do your best with rot wood an such..jmo

 

[woodshop]

I told woodshop that he could post pics of me so they should be on the way.

OK from the horses mouth. Also got an email from the kid telling me to post any of the pictures he sent me, so OK. Here is 056 Kid... more pics later when I scan them. I'll be busy in the woodshop this aft and eve making nut and bolt nutcrackers for a show I'm doing this coming Sat. My idea was to put a sign on the table saying "crack your nuts with a nut"... but the wife said that would be a bit much for the older ladies in the crowd... she's probably right

 

[rivahrat]

young

he looks younger than me. i wonder if he shaves yet? no offense 056kid

on the other hand what do i need to do to get on of them nut & bolt sets? as a wood carver i am always looking for things like that. ill be in pa next moth if that would help any.

 

[woodshop]

on the other hand what do i need to do to get on of them nut & bolt sets? as a wood carver i am always looking for things like that. ill be in pa next moth if that would help any.

Rivahrat, don't want to use the forum for selling stuff... so PM me for details if you are interested and I would be glad to set you up. If you'll be near the Philadelphia end of PA, stop and see me, I'm right off the turnpike.

Dave

 

[DarioMO]

he looks younger than me. i wonder if he shaves yet? no offense 056kid...

I though he would be much older too...having been using chainsaws for what, 10 years? Or is this his son or nephew perhaps?

 

[arborman]

soooo ahh which one of them there saws is your climbing saw? and where are the climbing pics. anyone can put a very overly deep and dangerous knotch in a tree and hope the good lords watching over them and doesent let them hurt themselves or anyone else.. jezz i didnt even see any PPE around anywhere by your climbing stuff surely you must wear glasses and atleast a helmet or maybe chaps when swingin around that ole yellow monster. or is that your dads saw or something?