60cc Awesomeness, who is king?

[Andyshine77]

Fortunately it hasn't got that bad here YET. Very rarely do I come across one that's beetle killed in fact. I looked at a tract a few months ago that's got some of the best ash Ive ever seen on it and the idiot that owns it still hasn't decided to cut! His wife wont let him cut it! I told him to bring her up there, show her one of the bigger ones and tell her to take 700 bucks out of her purse and burn it because that's what she is going to lose when that one tree dies. Theres probably 50 or more trees like that on just one little hillside too.

As far as I know not a single living Ash tree is left in this region, and most have been dead for several years now. I started telling everyone to take the trees down right away, the answer was always, they still look good it's a nice shade tree. Well now they had to call in a tree company to come in and take the trees out the expensive way, as I wasn't going to touch the rotten messes, can't even use them for firewood. So yes the sooner you can get to then the better.

Here's one that came down on it's own just the other night, took out the power for over 100 homes.

 

[Huntaholic]

Ah ok, I get it now! Who says an old dog cant learn new tricks?? lol

 

[dustinwilt68]

I have to agree the echo is the best bargain there is to be had, especially in the 60cc class, I would say a 590 is all most firewood guys would need, I get new 562 for around 650.00 that's with tax and a 20" or 24" bar and chain, 590 is around 225.00 cheaper then that, hard to argue it especially for best value.

 

[August76]

I have to agree the echo is the best bargain there is to be had, especially in the 60cc class, I would say a 590 is all most firewood guys would need, I get new 562 for around 650.00 that's with tax and a 20" or 24" bar and chain, 590 is around 225.00 cheaper then that, hard to argue it especially for best value.

If I had to buy a new firewood saw from a big box store I would get a 450 rancher or echo cs590 . I had opted for those choices and the used 6421 before the chainsaw addiction had set in. I made the determination that the Makita dcs6421 was the best saw for the price even used that $300 you're buying like $700 worth of Saw or more there is the risk that you might have to rebuild it because it has been used as a rental song and people that rent saws from Home Depot aren't exactly nice to him that just proves that that particular saw can take some serious abuse if a saw can handle the idiots that go to Home Depot it can handle an awful lot and the other reason I bought that song over the cs-590 was the fact that I can upgrade The Jug anytime I feel like it for a hundred something dollars and bump up to a 79cc saw but the echo is an extremely good value I don't know how well it runs because I haven't run one I'm sure the 450 Rancher is just fine for firewood anything is better than buying some crappy ass poulan from Home Depot

 

[dustinwilt68]

I agree the Makita saws are overlooked by many, and I would have done the same as you, bought the saw I could upgrade at any point, I was strictly talking best value of a new saw. I prefer to buy a saw and do a little work and get the best value I can, but I know some don't, ( maybe it is lack of knowledge or they don't have the time?) for them the echo might be a great choice, either way I think there booth good choices.

 

[James Miller]

I'm one of those guys that bought a 590 because of the price point. Mine ran with an 036 box stock. To me that's a strong saw for $400 or less brand new. I haven't run alot of different saws so take my opinion for what its worth.

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Snap is what it’s all about for pros who fall, limb and do a little bucking. Snap is what gets the job done quicker for those guys who have the talent to use it. Why do you think the midsize huskies still sell like crazy in spite of their (somewhat recent-ish) historic issues? Because they handle and have snap. Lazy trigger fingers with poor timing need not apply.

Bucking firewood is an entirely different deal, which is what many of yous have your heads in the sand about.

I think the cs590 is probably an exemplary firewood saw. The 620 probably similar, as a guess. And I have been seriously considering one. I am not a pro. I can’t really take advantage of the snap. But it is fun to have! I have worked closely with hundreds of pros in most of western Canada for nearly 40 years. Hundreds and hundreds. Some of them are the best in the business. Highly trained with vast experience. Guys that do all kinds of chainsaw work in many applications. They almost to a man like SNAPPY saws with SUPERIOR ANTIVIBE that HANDLE for most of the work they do. Stihls. Husky’s. Jonsereds. Very occasional Dolmars. They don’t run Echos. Sorry, they don’t.

If the ms362 is so bad, why does mine handle better and run smoother and have better power than the cs590 (just as much mid to upper mid AND then TOP with snap) if the echos are so good? Btw, I don’t consider the ms362 to be a particularly good handling saw.

A dog. Ha! Right. Current internet propaganda. There are tons of them out there making money for guys all over the world. I haven’t heard too many complaints, even about the oe ‘s. I quite like mine. And so do many folks I’ve worked around. Unfortunately for me a slight majority think it is a step backwards from the ms361. And many don’t.

King of best value, good quality, decent enough handling 60cc firewood saw; Echo Cs590.

King of 60cc saws? Not the Echo.

Well in use yesterday I'd say its not snappiest but not sluggish at all. In no way am I faster then it for sure. I took a video but you can't hear the RPM over the pop of the muffler mod, lol

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

Right ! It’s pointless to speculate what Elon Musk may or may not do ... Anyone with sufficient mechanical aptitude and lotsa $$$ could do it ! See Robert Paxton McCulloch

It wasn't speculation, it was an example

 

[Cliff R]

"hey! I’m starting to quite like my cs590. The defensive folks focus on my negative comments, not my positive ones. Oh well."

What did you do, finally put the chain on in the right direction!.....LOL


Anyhow, the CS-590 is a good saw (best bang for the buck out there IMHO), the CS-600P better, and the CS-620PW excellent. It still doesn't matter Echo can hit that market as hard as they want but it's like Nissan making a full size diesel truck to compete with the Dodge Cummins, Chevy Duramax and Ford diesels, WAY too many die hard loyalists out there to ever get the top spot in that market no matter how good your offering is......FWIW.

Now Echo needs to get rid of the CS-670/680 series and build a 70-75cc saw on the CS-620PW platform.....I'm all in when they make that move........Cliff

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

THIS!!!! 1000 times over, THIS is what cutting timber is all about! Its why I use a 390xp instead of a 372xp! A fraction of a second means NOTHING to a wood cutter but to a timber cutter its the difference between a smooth cut veneer log and a splinter pulled saw log. Or even worse, a shattered mess of firewood. I haven't ever cut timber with a 562xp but after building one and seeing how responsive it is, Im going to TOMORROW!

Not really, but I will continue to point out any points you make that are based off your 590. It's just not the 620. It's amazing the biggest haters I've seen on the 620 are 590 owners.
I'm not commenting on the stihl or dolmar variants cause I haven't ran them. You have not ran the 620.

 

[SmellyPirateHooker]

"hey! I’m starting to quite like my cs590. The defensive folks focus on my negative comments, not my positive ones. Oh well."

What did you do, finally put the chain on in the right direction!.....LOL


Anyhow, the CS-590 is a good saw (best bang for the buck out there IMHO), the CS-600P better, and the CS-620PW excellent. It still doesn't matter Echo can hit that market as hard as they want but it's like Nissan making a full size diesel truck to compete with the Dodge Cummins, Chevy Duramax and Ford diesels, WAY too many die hard loyalists out there to ever get the top spot in that market no matter how good your offering is......FWIW.

Now Echo needs to get rid of the CS-670/680 series and build a 70-75cc saw on the CS-620PW platform.....I'm all in when they make that move........Cliff

True, but the original post was about the best 60cc saw, not the best company, best support, or the one that has the best company following.

 

[mountainlake]

Well in use yesterday I'd say its not snappiest but not sluggish at all. In no way am I faster then it for sure. I took a video but you can't hear the RPM over the pop of the muffler mod, lol

(In no way am I faster then it for sure) I'll agree with that 100% as I'm not superman. Steve

 

[holeycow]

Well in use yesterday I'd say its not snappiest but not sluggish at all. In no way am I faster then it for sure. I took a video but you can't hear the RPM over the pop of the muffler mod, lol

Thanks for taking the time. I don’t find the 590 annoyingly sluggish, but it’s the kind of power that finds one throwing a throttle blip in here and there prior to hitting the wood (at least I do sometimes). Snappy saws require no blips. For those who spend more time limbing than bucking, snap is what gets the job done. It’s not just the saw, it’s the whole symphony of moving and cutting, staying on balance, etc where snap comes in to play for those who can take advantage of it. Since 60cc saws are limbing saws I brought that up.

For the ones still learning the lingo, or simply being argumentative; snap = throttle response to wide open throttle.

So your 620 with light mods has nearly the throttle response of the 562. Good to know. I might just like that. Quite a bit.

 

[holeycow]

"hey! I’m starting to quite like my cs590. The defensive folks focus on my negative comments, not my positive ones. Oh well."

What did you do, finally put the chain on in the right direction!.....LOL

Anyhow, the CS-590 is a good saw (best bang for the buck out there IMHO), the CS-600P better, and the CS-620PW excellent. It still doesn't matter Echo can hit that market as hard as they want but it's like Nissan making a full size diesel truck to compete with the Dodge Cummins, Chevy Duramax and Ford diesels, WAY too many die hard loyalists out there to ever get the top spot in that market no matter how good your offering is......FWIW.

Now Echo needs to get rid of the CS-670/680 series and build a 70-75cc saw on the CS-620PW platform.....I'm all in when they make that move........Cliff

Putting the chain on correctly really made a big difference!

Yup, put a 75cc on the 590/620 cases. Update the airbox to something really nice (like the 262xp), provide some options in air filters and heated handles/carbs, and tune it for snap (whatever that is).

Without electronics... but that’s not likely : (

It would be a sweet saw, for sure. It would be taken seriously by pros (most of whom consider 60cc their baby saw, if they even have one that small).

I would buy one. Hopefully I wouldn’t have to pull the caps and mod the muffler to make it run properly....just couldn’t resist digging at that.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

It wasn't speculation, it was an example

 

[holeycow]

Jftr, generally speaking, Echo chainsaws are not the same value for the dollar purchase in Canada as in the states.

Their fall sale price on a 620 is 750.00. About a hundred more gets you into a Stihl or Husky with wrap and winter heat at a competitive dealer.

500.00 on sale for the 590 (600.00 reg). The sale price isn’t too bad. However, I got mine for much less and wouldn’t have paid more at the time.

550.00 on sale for the 501p. The ms261 was on sale for 650 with case etc this past spring..

Echo is not trying as hard here.

 

[Tor R]

 

[holeycow]

Not really, but I will continue to point out any points you make that are based off your 590. It's just not the 620. It's amazing the biggest haters I've seen on the 620 are 590 owners.
I'm not commenting on the stihl or dolmar variants cause I haven't ran them. You have not ran the 620.

You may be directing this at me?

If so, I am not an Echo hater. By far. I just know where they REALLY stand in the chainsaw world, and to directly compare a cs590 to the best out there is ridiculous, quite frankly. The 620, on the other hand, may be different but it loses much of its price- point advantage in Canada.

To me, the 620 appeals because it has a screw carb, no strato, and is surely a decent saw. I would choose that over whiz-bang tech. Many don’t.

And since this thread involves the 620, not the 590 I will stop that comparison, in my own mind.

 

[hseII]

Another observation Ive made and haven't commented on until now is all the saw pics I see posted with both sets of dogs on their saws. When I see that I know with an almost certainty that the poster doesn't cut standing timber for a living. Any guesses as to why I assume that?

Due Tail.

 

[hseII]

A dog goes woof, a dawg goes into the tree for leverage or lining up cuts. On the west coast where we use a humboldt faces we can rock the saw on the outside dawg to cut our undercuts without loosing your line up.


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But you must not be for real cause you use an outside dog. [emoji23]


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