60cc Awesomeness, who is king?

[Huntaholic]

I run a portable sawmill and I can tell you a chainsaw that revs up fast has NOTHING to do with splinter pull in the center of a log. I can see where he wants to run a 390 vs a 372 as he can cut through the center faster eliminating the splinter pull. If he thinks a 562 is going to cut as fast as a 390 keep thinking. Steve

LMAO! Im not stupid enough to believe a 562 could EVER hang with a 390. Neither can a 372, or a 576, or a ms461, or dare I say this, even an ms660. In all fairness, the 660 is right there with the 390, it just weighs more and I don't care for the balance and handling but that's a personal choice. This thread is about 60cc class saws and even one of my saw shops head mechanics has tried to get me to try a 562 for years but I wasn't going to shell out 700 bucks to try a saw Im pretty sure wont do what I want it to. THEN, I ran across a truckload of saws for free and some 562s were in it. I cleaned up the cylinder on one, put a meteor piston and caber rings in it, replaced a few missing parts and ended up with this one CHEAP. I think Ive got around 150 bucks in it all told. I think it will be the perfect saw to limb and top with, but I seriously doubt using it much to stump with.

 

[mountainlake]

Read your original post, you make it sound like a snappy saw has something to do with splinter pull, right. I'd take a 562 for $150 any day. Steve

 

[Skeans]

LOL well your info says you are in TN, so youre welcome to come see how much wood this professional cuts anytime. I knew from one of your previous posts I saw that you weren't using saws to make a living when you asked what "dogs" were. I don't mean that as a slam or derogatory, just an observation. Loggers have a certain language that's a little different from the rest of the world (except for drunk seasick sailors) and the word "dogs" is part of it.

A dog goes woof, a dawg goes into the tree for leverage or lining up cuts. On the west coast where we use a humboldt faces we can rock the saw on the outside dawg to cut our undercuts without loosing your line up.


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[Skeans]

Read your original post, you make it sound like a snappy saw has something to do with splinter pull, right. I'd take a 562 for $150 any day. Steve

It depends on what you’re doing, yes torque has some play take an older saw higher torque lower rpm cutting alder chasing the back cut it’ll chair. Take a modern saw higher rpm with good torque you can actually chase the back cut normally with chairing them out.


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[Andyshine77]

Who here has ran and owned all of the saws mentioned in this thread? I can tell you there is no difference in snap, "whatever that is"[emoji4] between any of these saws in stock form, ported is a different story, I find most saws slow when compared to choked up stock saws. I could care less what brand, I don't even have an Echo right now lol. Believing a millionth of as second will do anything is delusional, like washing rour car and believing it runs better. But if it makes you happy more power to you [emoji111]

I also believe we have a few here who are fanboys, all of which knock a saw they've likely never had their hands on. Well that's internet forunms for you.

 

[August76]

And they have a FIVE YEAR WARRANTY!

Except when you tune them to run.

Oh well.

5-year consumer warranty one year commercial warranty

 

[CR888]

The echo CS-600/620p are sold here with a OEM Sugihara solid RSN bar.

 

[holeycow]

No. I like the inner one, is all. Dawg, that is.

 

[Skeans]

Who here has ran and owned all of the saws mentioned in this thread? I can tell you there is no difference in snap, "whatever that is"[emoji4] between any of these saws in stock form, ported is a different story, I find most saws slow when compared to choked up stock saws. I could care less what brand, I don't even have an Echo right now lol. Believing a millionth of as second will do anything is delusional, like washing rour car and believing it runs better. But if it makes you happy more power to you [emoji111]

I also believe we have a few here who are fanboys, all of which knock a saw they've likely never had their hands on. Well that's internet forunms for you.

Sometimes that second that be the difference between a chair or not. Most of the hand cutting I do anymore is oversized or on steep ground so a light little saw like a 562 or whatever it happens to be that day can be a bonus to my back at the end of the day. 9 times of 10 it’s a larger saw with a 36 but if the big saw with the 42 or 60 comes out a light saw is great to have for smaller wood.


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[CR888]

Echo is penetrating the US market using price as their weapon of choice. The 590TW is a bargain @$399 full retail. I bought a near brand new cs550p a couple of years ago for like $250 out of the states. I recently sold it here for $500au to a firewood farmer still near new with less than 5 tanks through it. He got a bargain, that saw sells for $1k here although they are discontinued. I just had no reason to pick it up when I have ported 50cc ms261, husky 550xp & 555, Dolmar 6400, Solo 665 & 681. The Echo just didn't fit in being 55cc's and similar size to 5 cube 681. But....I poked around inside that saw and it was built with top shelf components. Walbro felt fuel filters (unlike them nasty plastic things Stihl give you), Koyo bearings not made in a 3rd world country like some of my Stihl saws with Chinese parts hidden everywhere behind the made in Germany sticker, Walbro carb, nice muffler, simple well sealed fuel/oil caps, really nice P&C, quality ignition etc. I really like the quality of the Echo and the lack of cost cutting that you find on the major 2. If Stihl can save 5cents on an oil seal or bearing, they WILL! Echo make a quality product that may not match the specs of other pro choices but the damn things will outlast religion the way there made. A sensible person buys an Echo. Sometimes I wish I was a little more sensible. All anyone focuses on in saw forums is performance, numbers & statistics which play an almost insignificant role to many of the worlds chainsaw consumers. I'm as guilty of this as anyone but sometimes a little perspective goes a long way.

 

[James Miller]

Sounds like you suffer from what many 590 owners suffer from, 620 envy. I would run out and get one fast before it causes serious and permanent damage.

The 620 only makes sense if your leaving it stock or only opening the muffler. Once there ported the performance gains disappear and the other parts on the 620 aren't really needed.

We are having a little GTG here at my place in a couple of weeks and i know there will be a ported 590 here. i'll try and get one of the guys with more smarts than me get and post a vid of it cutting. i get what some of the logger guys say about snap etc. when cutting lumber/veneer logs but the majority of the guys here are firewood cutters that need/want a reliable saw. there are enough guys i talk to across the forum here that have the 590 and are well satisfied with it. NO it's not the awesome 60cc king but it's right up there with many of the saws mentioned so far. Did i mention i love my STIHLS?

Theres a good chance one of the red97 590s will be there also. I swear mines stock with just a muff mod.

 

[Andyshine77]

Sometimes that second that be the difference between a chair or not. Most of the hand cutting I do anymore is oversized or on steep ground so a light little saw like a 562 or whatever it happens to be that day can be a bonus to my back at the end of the day. 9 times of 10 it’s a larger saw with a 36 but if the big saw with the 42 or 60 comes out a light saw is great to have for smaller wood.


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I run 50cc saws more than anything else, but the big saw sure can put a smile on your face.[emoji111]

 

[huskihl]

Challenge accepted...

I'm not sure everyone here knows about the different 365's lol

 

[Andyshine77]

Echo is penetrating the US market using price as their weapon of choice. The 590TW is a bargain @$399 full retail. I bought a near brand new cs550p a couple of years ago for like $250 out of the states. I recently sold it here for $500au to a firewood farmer still near new with less than 5 tanks through it. He got a bargain, that saw sells for $1k here although they are discontinued. I just had no reason to pick it up when I have ported 50cc ms261, husky 550xp & 555, Dolmar 6400, Solo 665 & 681. The Echo just didn't fit in being 55cc's and similar size to 5 cube 681. But....I poked around inside that saw and it was built with top shelf components. Walbro felt fuel filters (unlike them nasty plastic things Stihl give you), Koyo bearings not made in a 3rd world country like some of my Stihl saws with Chinese parts hidden everywhere behind the made in Germany sticker, Walbro carb, nice muffler, simple well sealed fuel/oil caps, really nice P&C, quality ignition etc. I really like the quality of the Echo and the lack of cost cutting that you find on the major 2. If Stihl can save 5cents on an oil seal or bearing, they WILL! Echo make a quality product that may not match the specs of other pro choices but the damn things will outlast religion the way there made. A sensible person buys an Echo. Sometimes I wish I was a little more sensible. All anyone focuses on in saw forums is performance, numbers & statistics which play an almost insignificant role to many of the worlds chainsaw consumers. I'm as guilty of this as anyone but sometimes a little perspective goes a long way.

Finally someone that gets it. The enternals of Echo products are second to none. The top end on the 590 I had was about the nicest I've ever seen. Had a 441 cylinder on a lathe, the base was out .010" slapped on a cylinder from a 30 yo Poulan the same day and it was withen .001"[emoji16]

Some people are branded plane and simple.

 

[Skeans]

I run 50cc saws more than anything else, but the big saw sure can put a smile on your face.[emoji111]

The smallest saw I’ve run is a 60cc got broke in running hopped up 372’s and 390’s mainly once in a blue a 66.


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[Andyshine77]

The smallest saw I’ve run is a 60cc got broke in running hopped up 372’s and 390’s mainly once in a blue a 66.


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How are the 390's bottom ends holding up for you lately.

 

[Skeans]

How are the 390's bottom ends holding up for you lately.

Haven’t had to hand cut much in the last two years but so far ok, my 385 took 15 years of abuse.

Best saw in the world is the one that drives you to the stump, cuts and limbs it for you.

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[Frank Rizzo]

It depends on what you’re doing, yes torque has some play take an older saw higher torque lower rpm cutting alder chasing the back cut it’ll chair. Take a modern saw higher rpm with good torque you can actually chase the back cut normally with chairing them out.


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Ash is prone to barber-chair ... technique developed is chain tightened 1 foot above face - cut ... maybe not best idear to try and “outrace” the barber-chair - eventually you will encounter a tree that you will not beat especially with Ash

 

[Frank Rizzo]

Not at all, let me help

Use the American market first, we have an obsession with power and speed. Make your saws dominant in both, and highly modifiable. Hand them out to the right people and let the videos flow.
Now set up a dealer network.
The fact of the matter is if I made a 60cc saw 20% more powerful then what is available people in the US will buy it. Ill be first in line.

I believe that angle is already covered but I could be mistaken

 

[Andyshine77]

Haven’t had to hand cut much in the last two years but so far ok, my 385 took 15 years of abuse.

Best saw in the world is the one that drives you to the stump, cuts and limbs it for you.

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15 years that's crazy. I've seen 390 not last 6 months, but some just won't die, lots of things factor into that though.

That's one monster of a machine, looks like fun.