661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Westboastfaller]

to counter the silly bwalker statement, a dragster engine using the faster oil going down the track at 300 mph beats his opponent who is using a not so fast oil by 2 car lengths, he or she has a faster oil on two counts, the engine has made more HP & been more responsive using the faster oil & it was travelling faster down the track.
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This is not all true

As a matter of fact I learnt this lesson many years ago, its a little uncanny as the lesson came at the arrival of these two milestones that happend weeks apart.
Think dragster breaking 300 mph 1/4 mile. Now think breaking the 5 sec 1/4
Neither accomplished both.

 

[Ron660]

You wont find an oil that's faster beyond the margin of error. Correlation isn't causation..

Choosing an oil strictly based on timed cuts isn't my goal although it'll be fun. Protection and clean burning is more important. I want to see if there is a significant deviation, > +/- 10%, from each brand on timed cuts using my ported 660. I'll soon have a ported 372 to use as a "2nd verifier".

 

[bwalker]

How do you propose testing protection? How about clean burning?

 

[Ron660]

How do you propose testing protection? How about clean burning?

As for as clean burning, a quick way to determine that is pull the muffler. I'll leave it up to more experienced AS members, such as my buddy Keith and Mdavlee, to check the lower end for lubrication.

 

[Bwildered]

Except we are talking two strokes. Your original response was your typical unimaginative troll bs and didn't merit a more than one word response.

your trying to weasel out of a stupid statement you made which has been pointed out by a couple of us, it doesnt matter what type of engine an oil runs in, its still moving around the engine doing its job in either, but the viscosity of the oil does relate to how much power is made, hense there are fast & slow oils in relation to getting the job done & why the best (fast) oils are a basic ingredient in race motors to get the most HP, your mythical margin of error is just **** words.

 

[Bwildered]

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This is not all true

As a matter of fact I learnt this lesson many years ago, its a little uncanny as the lesson came at the arrival of these two milestones that happend weeks apart.
Think dragster breaking 300 mph 1/4 mile. Now think breaking the 5 sec 1/4
Neither accomplished both.

you have me there, I should have been a bit more accurate in my hypothetical speed units.
fanks

 

[Westboastfaller]

-One saw can be of one size only.
-One saw can be of one brand only
-One saw with fastest time cuts will be the best saw for that single activity.
-One saw with many impressive 'attributes' will be the best for a multi activity job.

A builder will not bank his rep with me on fast time cuts in a certain model. I kind of get the impression MOST builders have gone the way of MAX in one area
and suffer in others. The bulk of the consumers it seems are in a
position not to need it all in one or even two saws. Win win for some builbers (not all)

As a remote faller in challanging terrain and very much unlike, the more common residential worker then that puts me on the outside looking in through my "doors of preception"

I'm just a Gen X'er of a little genneration that noboby could reach

WOW..Pretty colours

 

[Trx250r180]

Has anyone tested Gary goo yet ?

 

[Ron660]

Has anyone tested Gary goo yet ?

I wanted to but heard it wasn't JASO-FD certified and didn't contain esters.

 

[bwalker]

your trying to weasel out of a stupid statement you made which has been pointed out by a couple of us, it doesnt matter what type of engine an oil runs in, its still moving around the engine doing its job in either, but the viscosity of the oil does relate to how much power is made, hense there are fast & slow oils in relation to getting the job done & why the best (fast) oils are a basic ingredient in race motors to get the most HP, your mythical margin of error is just **** words.

In no part of this dribble did you say anything of substance or accuracy..per usual.
Drag racing fantasies aside..your wrong. And talking about stupid...look in the mirror.

 

[Bwildered]

In no part of this dribble did you say anything of substance or accuracy..per usual.
Drag racing fantasies aside..your wrong. And talking about stupid...look in the mirror.

yep! no mirrors in your house. LOL

 

[Ron660]

For a true comparison timed cuts is a complete joke.
Even on a dyno it would be exceedingly difficult to get valid results.
I would worry much more about chain, motor tuning and jetting.

It's only a joke if you state something as a "fact" and you haven't tested and "proven" it yourself. The variables you stated (chains, motor tuning, and jetting) can also be tested. Chains (semi-skip vs full skip), motor tuning (ear tuning vs tach), jetting (372xp carb vs 372 x-torq) could also be tested. I enjoy testing ammo in my different rifles too.

 

[tree monkey]

In the first test or pre-test or whatever u wanna call it. Where redbull tested 32 vs 40 vs 45 vs 50. 32:1 was the winner in all 4 oils. bwalker had no problem with that. Patted himself on the back as I told ya so. no surprise there.


Next test 32:1 for each oil head to head. Same “scientific method used” the results didn’t turn out as expected by the Trolls. So now, we get all these posts about scientific method, margin of error, saw is running erratic, he don’t know what he was doing, what he is doing is worthless and a waste of time, the test is invalid etc.


Yet the same method was used. Said method achieved basically the KNOWN results on the first test. Soooo (here is the key point) obviously the method is working correctly.

 

[Westboastfaller]

It doesn't tell the whole tail for a minority group about the saws.
but I supose thats not the point.

 

[tree monkey]

When I was going through drums of 2 cycle oil per year 50:1 and cheap oil ruled the day.

I got the same deals on yamalube outboard oil when I ran yamaha outboards commercialy. Perks when you buy 35+ motors every few years.

please tell us more

 

[bwalker]

In the first test or pre-test or whatever u wanna call it. Where redbull tested 32 vs 40 vs 45 vs 50. 32:1 was the winner in all 4 oils. bwalker had no problem with that. Patted himself on the back as I told ya so. no surprise there.


Next test 32:1 for each oil head to head. Same “scientific method used” the results didn’t turn out as expected by the Trolls. So now, we get all these posts about scientific method, margin of error, saw is running erratic, he don’t know what he was doing, what he is doing is worthless and a waste of time, the test is invalid etc.


Yet the same method was used. Said method achieved basically the KNOWN results on the first test. Soooo (here is the key point) obviously the method is working correctly.

I Stated the 32:1 results were what I expected because it jives with previous scientific tests. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[bwalker]

please tell us more

In regards to what?

 

[bwalker]

It's only a joke if you state something as a "fact" and you haven't tested and "proven" it yourself. The variables you stated (chains, motor tuning, and jetting) can also be tested. Chains (semi-skip vs full skip), motor tuning (ear tuning vs tach), jetting (372xp carb vs 372 x-torq) could also be tested. I enjoy testing ammo in my different rifles too.

Which is what's being done here..

 

[porsche965]

I Stated the 32:1 results were what I expected because it jives with previous scientific tests. Nothing more, nothing less.

What's YOUR definition of "Scientific" that applies to chainsaws?

 

[Trx250r180]

I wanted to but heard it wasn't JASO-FD certified and didn't contain esters.

No esters but I think it may have Copenhagen spit for lubricants