661c porting question

[SAWMIKAZE]

I question the longevity of a ported saw . Do they stand up for the long run like a stock one or because you're pushing the limits does it shorten it's hours it will run ?

Dont question it , if done correctly for work they last just as long..maybe longer idk

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

I've read that too
Maybe @DexterDay could post up that video he has of a stock solo 665 vs a ported ms362. Unfortunately the link I have it looks like the vid was deleted.

Here are the times though... Masterminded m362 slower than stock solo 665 ... IIRC the stock 665 also beat a ported 562xp.
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Why did it get deleted ?

 

[rwoods]

Goat, a Solo 665 has 110% of the displacement of a MS362. If your point is it is more bang for the buck, then okay. Otherwise it is irrelevant to the question of porting. That question can only be answered by a same saw comparison and the needs or whims of the interested party.

The fact that more than a few loggers use ported saws is why I tried one. Mine is great. If I had had it years ago, I would have about a dozen fewer saws.

That said I have no doubt that different models respond differently and results among builders will greatly vary.

Ron

 

[weedkilla]

I've read that too
Maybe @DexterDay could post up that video he has of a stock solo 665 vs a ported ms362. Unfortunately the link I have it looks like the vid was deleted.

Here are the times though... Masterminded m362 slower than stock solo 665 ... IIRC the stock 665 also beat a ported 562xp.
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What's your point?
My stock 562 was fine with an 18" bar, but that's all. Ported it runs about the same way with a 24" bar.
It isn't the fastest saw in the world with a 24" bar, but it does the job and I carry around less weight.

A solo 665 is a great saw, but it feels the same weight as a good 70cc saw to me. It definitely feels like a bigger, heavier saw than a 562.

All I care about is having enough saw to run the bar I need to do the job, be able to start and stop in a cut, and cut out the back on a leaner with enough speed to keep me feeling safe.

The fact that I often do more walking than felling when killing feral trees means I'm probably more fussy about weight than most.

 

[DexterDay]

Why did it get deleted ?

Not deleted.. Just not for private view.

The 362 beat the Solo at the Oct GTG and about 20 heads were present to witness it (MFM never remembers that) and the vid I took was 3 saws with 3 separate chains.

At the GTG, it was same chain.

As for ported saws? For firewood? Not necessary. For GTG's? It's fun. Period....

 

[DexterDay]

I've read that too
Maybe @DexterDay could post up that video he has of a stock solo 665 vs a ported ms362. Unfortunately the link I have it looks like the vid was deleted.

Here are the times though... Masterminded m362 slower than stock solo 665 ... IIRC the stock 665 also beat a ported 562xp.
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And it was a stock 562 with a Woodland Pro chain. 362 and 665 had RS...

GFY buddy

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Not deleted.. Just not for private view.

The 362 beat the Solo at the Oct GTG and about 20 heads were present to witness it (MFM never remembers that) and the vid I took was 3 saws with 3 separate chains.

At the GTG, it was same chain.

As for ported saws? For firewood? Not necessary. For GTG's? It's fun. Period....

I missed all that..seems like serious bidness.

 

[Grey]

Porting is not necessary. Then again, most homeowners/firewooders can get by with a big-box or Chinese clone, disposable, clamshell 50-60 cc saw. It all depends on your personal priorities.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Porting is not necessary. Then again, most homeowners/firewooders can get by with a big-box or Chinese clone, disposable, clamshell 50-60 cc saw. It all depends on your personal priorities.

Bingo...i spent 300 dollars in worse places

 

[MustangMike]

I agree with Ryan, porting will generally improve all saws, but some saws respond to porting much better than others.

For example, some of the early 044s & 046s run stronger than the 044/440 and 046/460s produced later, but after porting, they all are about equal.

It can make a big difference in time if you have a lot of wood to buck.

I guess it depends on how much improvement you get, and what your time is worth.

And I agree the best way to know is to run a ported one, which is why I enjoy going to GTGs.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

I agree with Ryan, porting will generally improve all saws, but some saws respond to porting much better than others.

For example, some of the early 044s & 046s run stronger than the 044/440 and 046/460s produced later, but after porting, they all are about equal.

It can make a big difference in time if you have a lot of wood to buck.

I guess it depends on how much improvement you get, and what your time is worth.

And I agree the best way to know is to run a ported one, which is why I enjoy going to GTGs.

Its the indian not the arrow mike

 

[MustangMike]

Sometimes, a little bit of both! The right tool for the job always helps.

 

[weedkilla]

Its the indian not the arrow mike

The Indian is a constant. The arrow varies.

I'm not going to sharpen a chain much better tomorrow than I did today, etc.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

I dont know many guys i would consider really good cutters..alot of them think alot higher of their ability than what it actually is..some of the guys that have taught me things over the past few years could make an average cutter with a ported saw look slow with their stock saw..ive learned alot of tricks ..but im still green , i have a ways to go yet to consider myself "good" ported saw or not.

 

[MustangMike]

Well, if I'm the Indian doing the bucking, I'll choose the faster saw, just sayin!

 

[weedkilla]

I dont know many guys i would consider really good cutters..alot of them think alot higher of their ability than what it actually is..some of the guys that have taught me things over the past few years could make an average cutter with a ported saw look slow with their stock saw..ive learned alot of tricks ..but im still green , i have a ways to go yet to consider myself "good" ported saw or not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pumping myself up. Probably the opposite.

It's not that I don't have a lot of room for improvement, just that those improvements aren't going to happen overnight.

 

[the GOAT]

Why did it get deleted ?

It didn't fit the narrative... Ported saws are awesome!!!

Goat, a Solo 665 has 110% of the displacement of a MS362. If your point is it is more bang for the buck, then okay. Otherwise it is irrelevant to the question of porting. That question can only be answered by a same saw comparison and the needs or whims of the interested party.

The fact that more than a few loggers use ported saws is why I tried one. Mine is great. If I had had it years ago, I would have about a dozen fewer saws.

That said I have no doubt that different models respond differently and results among builders will greatly vary.

Ron

PSP's are constantly saying that a ported saw will cut like a saw 10cc's bigger. This video showed a ported 59cc saw was considerably slower than a stock 65cc saw.

Not deleted.. Just not for private view.

The 362 beat the Solo at the Oct GTG and about 20 heads were present to witness it (MFM never remembers that) and the vid I took was 3 saws with 3 separate chains.

At the GTG, it was same chain.

As for ported saws? For firewood? Not necessary. For GTG's? It's fun. Period....

You previously stated that both the 362 and 665 had new RS chains. (Second paragraph in attached screenshot)

 

[angelo c]

What do Indians have to do with saws ?

I thought they were great with computers and customer service centers ?... So confused.

 

[Moparmyway]

Mike, dont you think the horse is dead already ?
Its still being beaten and kicked ? ..........................

Variables Mike ............ variables !

 

[fin460]

Hello again, I was wanting to know how much more power do you get from porting, been cutting wood all my life and the 661 and 461 stihls I have really seem to rip. I didn't know anything about it until I joined this site and it seems to be a really big thing. How much will I really notice and what's the average cost to do a saw? It's got my attention for sure!

Okay, I agree with a lot of the opinions here.

My statement of worth every penny, was definitely an overstatement.

I would recommend that you try a ported saw someday, since you like to modd things.