A little different question about PPE... and a ?? about ms440

[clearance]

No, everyone should not get the same deal, cheap people that complain all the time should pay more, good guys that pay cash and only deal with you should get a deal. What comes around, goes around. I have driven further and paid more cause people pissed me off so bad, found better people as it turned out.

 

[THALL10326]

I can't add any more value to this thread than has already been said, and I'm sure here is much more that will be said, so please buy your chains at the "1" price from me , and I'll just leave you with this observation:

You can't believe how many people are happy to buy just one chain at full list price (" I only need one"), and conversely, how many jump also at the "2nd chain 1/2 price". Nobody walks out and says, "I'll drive somewhere else... 'cos both types made an informed decision, either to pay list or get a deal. Oh yes, there's a third type - pro customers that just get the discount anyhow due to overall volume. Each their own.... Guess we did something right last year - sold 5000 feet of chain in loops... and we are just a big shack on the side of the highway in a sea of other dealers and box stores. Oh yes, we charge $10 to sharpen a chain - and probably did 2500 chains last year...

Dayummm you Lake, no wonder I don't sharpen a ton of chains, your getting them all and I only charge 7.50, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I think every customer is different and you have to act according to deal with him to get in his pcoket. There are those we simply say the other dealer is right down the road, make a left at the stop sign and go straight. Some think we make 50% on a saw and want 30% off. We can't help them and we sure aren't going in the hole to satisfy them. They are few but we get them.

 

[THALL10326]

No, everyone should not get the same deal, cheap people that complain all the time should pay more, good guys that pay cash and only deal with you should get a deal. What comes around, goes around. I have driven further and paid more cause people pissed me off so bad, found better people as it turned out.

You said it well, it has alot to do with how customers act. Like the old :censored: calling me on the phone and telling me what he will give me for a chain. I felt like repling with let me give you this sucker, click. I got 2 Stihl stools in the shop. If I got time I always say have seat, rest ya bones. I like to get to know my customers. Once you get to know them and allow them to be part of your business by sitting there yaking about saws or trimmers they may not buy that day but 9 times out of 10 they come back and buy. I'm still ticked at Lake though, he's 3000 miles away and he's getting all the sharpening business and charging more than me, that just aint right. Lake if your reading this we gots to have a meeting,hahaha. The reason Lakes gets all that business is because he is highly skilled and his customers know it.

 

[sawn_penn]

It's always good to see what sort of a deal could be on the table. I have no problem with asking if a better price can be done. That said, I am never offended if a guy says no.

In dealing with guys like me, a smart dealer would understand that by the time I'm talking price I've already decided to buy. They don't really need to give me a discount.


On the other hand, I realise that I am buying expertise as well as equipment. The main "savings" I get from a dealer is advice and support. If something goes wrong with a bit of equipment, I know he'll be there to solve my problems quickly. Also, my dealer tells me WHAT NOT TO BUY. He'll understand (and remember) what I use the gear for, and make sensible recommendations.

 

[THALL10326]

It's always good to see what sort of a deal could be on the table. I have no problem with asking if a better price can be done. That said, I am never offended if a guy says no.

In dealing with guys like me, a smart dealer would understand that by the time I'm talking price I've already decided to buy. They don't really need to give me a discount.


On the other hand, I realise that I am buying expertise as well as equipment. The main "savings" I get from a dealer is advice and support. If something goes wrong with a bit of equipment, I know he'll be there to solve my problems quickly. Also, my dealer tells me WHAT NOT TO BUY. He'll understand (and remember) what I use the gear for, and make sensible recommendations.

Well said. Thats the value Sedanman was talking about and yes its worth a lot, can't argu that at all...

 

[Marco]

$10 to sharpen a chain? Does that include pickup and delivery? I guess if your market can stand it. If you have to stop something or could be doing something else to sharpen a chain, $10 does seem fair really. My market would never tolerate it though.

 

[Lakeside53]

$10 to sharpen a chain? Does that include pickup and delivery? I guess if your market can stand it. If you have to stop something or could be doing something else to sharpen a chain, $10 does seem fair really. My market would never tolerate it though.

Nope, that's "you bring it in and pick it up". Two years ago the area going rate was $7 to anyone, $6 to Pros, then the prices started going up everywhere and we've never got any complaints. Out shop rate is $60 per hour (my auto dealer charges $90!!!) and we're just trying to make that. Most of our chains get a quick hand file after grinding also. We don't charge more or less for a 36 inch full comp and a 12 inch micro chain...

 

[93_ChargedCobra]

I appreciate the input guys, as for people worring about backing out on the saw buying it later, and going a head and buying the PPE one word NO, I wouldn't do that to anyone. I imagine some people would do that, but I couldnt. I put a 50 dollar deposit on the saw even though he said he didnt want a deposit cause I felt guilty about having him hold one for me for nothing, Its just how I am.

The reason I asked this question on here is for the fact Im not good at asking for discounts, In retrospect by the end of the purchace It will be over $2500 Ive spent with him within the last 6 months and never once even talked about price, other than "how much is it...ok give me one". I know some of you may and do spend more than that but that has to be a good amount for my area. I never once complained or bargained with the price, and I buy everything I can from him.

 

[Freakingstang]

Hey 93 Cobra, Welcome to AS. I think you will like that 660. It is a monster. Can't give you any advice on the saw purchase, though. Where are you located? There is going to be a get to gether in a month that might be local for you. Sounds like you and I are a lot alike in the car and saw department. I just got the 066.

Steve

 

[93_ChargedCobra]

Hey 93 Cobra, Welcome to AS. I think you will like that 660. It is a monster. Can't give you any advice on the saw purchase, though. Where are you located? There is going to be a get to gether in a month that might be local for you. Sounds like you and I are a lot alike in the car and saw department. I just got the 066.

Steve

I am in Mt Vernon. Yeah I noticed your pics the other day you got some dayum nice cars.

I just picked up my saw today with the dual port muffler cover. Looks like I'll be cutting tomorrow. :greenchainsaw: They had a helmet and my buddy picked up their last pair of chaps before I got there. I instead of asking about taking cash of their ppe I dealt with them some on the saw got it for about 40 or 50 off retail.

 

[Freakingstang]

Mt vernon, that isn't too far. What did that 660 cost you? There is a local amish guy in applecreek that has them pretty cheap compared to the prices I've seen listed on here.

 

[93_ChargedCobra]

Mt vernon, that isn't too far. What did that 660 cost you? There is a local amish guy in applecreek that has them pretty cheap compared to the prices I've seen listed on here.

$970 something

 

[THALL10326]

I am in Mt Vernon. Yeah I noticed your pics the other day you got some dayum nice cars.

I just picked up my saw today with the dual port muffler cover. Looks like I'll be cutting tomorrow. :greenchainsaw: They had a helmet and my buddy picked up their last pair of chaps before I got there. I instead of asking about taking cash of their ppe I dealt with them some on the saw got it for about 40 or 50 off retail.

Good job Corbra, you did good. It nevers hurts to ask for a tad off. The very worst that can happen to you is they say no, the worst that can happen to them is you saying no too.
Use that big ole boy and remember to take it back after you break it in and have them re-set the carb to proper rpm levels or if you do your own don't forget to do it. Saws tend to speed up once they loosen up.
Glad you got your deal and went home happy. The only thing that ticks me is ya didn't buy it from me, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Just messing with ya, enjoy that big saw, its a dosey of a saw......

 

[93_ChargedCobra]

Good job Corbra, you did good. It nevers hurts to ask for a tad off. The very worst that can happen to you is they say no, the worst that can happen to them is you saying no too.
Use that big ole boy and remember to take it back after you break it in and have them re-set the carb to proper rpm levels or if you do your own don't forget to do it. Saws tend to speed up once they loosen up.
Glad you got your deal and went home happy. The only thing that ticks me is ya didn't buy it from me, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Just messing with ya, enjoy that big saw, its a dosey of a saw......

I appreciate ur input Thall, I wish I could get to your place in 10 minutes like I can his or you would be the salesman. I bought a tach so I should be able to keep it set myself. 13000 rpm is max right, do I try to keep right around that?

 

[THALL10326]

I appreciate ur input Thall, I wish I could get to your place in 10 minutes like I can his or you would be the salesman. I bought a tach so I should be able to keep it set myself. 13000 rpm is max right, do I try to keep right around that?

Well shoot, I coulda sent my lear jet to bring you here, durn it,haha, I wish.
Yes around 13000 is about right. Just use the saw for awhile and then check it. Remember too that 13000 mark is the max rpm that engine should be runned. It doesn't mean it will run best at 13000 and cut the fastest and put out the most power. It may well run stronger at 12000 or 12500. Just use it and you'll find the sweet spot on that big sucker but the sweet spot should not exceed the 13000 mark. Dayummmmmm Corbra you got one and now I want one. I sold my old 066 a few years ago. I didn't have enough behind to handle that big sucker but boy it would fly through some wood. Hmmmmmmmm, Corbra your a pretty good salesman yourself, I'm getting the itch for a 660 myself here.......................

 

[93_ChargedCobra]

Well shoot, I coulda sent my lear jet to bring you here, durn it,haha, I wish.
Yes around 13000 is about right. Just use the saw for awhile and then check it. Remember too that 13000 mark is the max rpm that engine should be runned. It doesn't mean it will run best at 13000 and cut the fastest and put out the most power. It may well run stronger at 12000 or 12500. Just use it and you'll find the sweet spot on that big sucker but the sweet spot should not exceed the 13000 mark. Dayummmmmm Corbra you got one and now I want one. I sold my old 066 a few years ago. I didn't have enough behind to handle that big sucker but boy it would fly through some wood. Hmmmmmmmm, Corbra your a pretty good salesman yourself, I'm getting the itch for a 660 myself here.......................

ok thanks for clarifing the rpm I was under the assumption that 13000 was the magic number to try and keep it tuned too. Like you said though Im going to leave a little fat till its broke in.

 

[THALL10326]

ok thanks for clarifing the rpm I was under the assumption that 13000 was the magic number to try and keep it tuned too. Like you said though Im going to leave a little fat till its broke in.

No problem. If you do it by ear like most all do you can set it where it 4cycles in the hand but opens up to the that good 2cycle sound in the wood. Thats the sweet spot regardless of what the tach says and its the safest spot too to give it a long life. Some try for that last split second of speed but in doing so shorten the life of the engine. You will find that sweet spot, just listen to it as you use it, you'll hear it loud and clear....

 

[sawn_penn]

$10 to sharpen a chain? Does that include pickup and delivery? I guess if your market can stand it. If you have to stop something or could be doing something else to sharpen a chain, $10 does seem fair really. My market would never tolerate it though.

$10 is fine, as long as you can shave with the sucker when it comes back. I saw a $8 sharpening job the other week - every tooth was burnt blue, they were all cut at a bizare angle, and they had no real edge.

That's the question, are you paying $x to have a chain restored to new, or $x to have it wrecked?