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Frank, you say some silly things.
"Once you start cutting with the nose you throw in other variables."
You can get bars longer than 9 inches you know. An 026 comes with an 18" bar normally.
"Mike you have never used a competition chain either or you wouldnt be suggesting Oak.
No, I haven't. What happens in Oak? I would'nt use a race chain in the woods anyways, they break too easy, and if you dull them, it takes too much work to fix. We are talking about moding work saws, right?
"Mike are you suggesting putting the 026 on 30 inch wood?"
You are the one who was comparing an 066 to an 026!
"What I took issue with originally was you telling someone that motor modification would only yield 10% gain in power."
I said if the muffler was already modified, that power porting would add another 10% or so.
Power porting and muffler together would be much higher, on a newer stock saw.
This is where the issue becomes clouded. You say motor modification, I say power porting, two completely different things. Motor modification could mean a lot of things not included in a $250 power porting. And where the guys selling the porting get quite a bit of the power gain is from opening up the newer, restrictive mufflers.
 
Mike just doesn't get it! Dont worry about it tho Mike; modified saws and square filed chain are not for you.

Frank
 
Originally posted by RAHTREELIMBS
Mike, why is it that you are the only one that paints such a negative picture of modded saws?


Everyone else on this site gives them the highest praise!

Could it be I don't earn any or part of my living modifing saws?
And tell me what I've written that is negative? That most of the gains on newer saws are muffler related? Whip me with a wet noodle.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Mike Maas
Could it be I don't earn any or part of my living modifing saws?
And tell me what I've written that is negative? That most of the gains on newer saws are muffler related? Whip me with a wet noodle.:rolleyes:


Could lt be that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!!!


Don't worry Mike you won't get any argument from me.


I 've learned that you are one horse whos colors won't change.


:D
 
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Originally posted by RAHTREELIMBS
Could lt be that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!!!


Don't worry Mike you won't get any argument from me.


I 've learned that you are one horse whos colors won't change.


:D

Rich, it is explained in the thread where "cognitive dissonance" was posted and the one "Spark plugs don't go bad"

Frank
 
What little i've seen of these things; is that the muffler is highest re-gain of power; cuz it is outermost part purposely 'detuned' to meet gov. standards etc. at a loss of power; after making a 'good' saw? So, it would seem that other gains are more marginal do to parts being made closer to correctly/perfect to begin with(not so much purposefully detuned); and cost more in going 'deeper' and finer into saw workings.

Also, i've read and been told several times that just taking the spark arrestor (screen?) out can be bad, as junk can then have an open port into muffler?

Or something like that!
:alien:
 
Originally posted by RAHTREELIMBS



Don't worry Mike you won't get any argument from me.



:D

The problem is that we don't disagree. I have no problem with fixing up a saw.

We might disagree on the order of importance the mods have, but you and Frank haven't give much detail on you thoughts about that.
To clarify, I think the biggest gain for the buck is muffler mod. Next biggest gain for the buck is chain sharpening, even over a new stock chain. Then getting the carb tuned. Then running the right chain size and sprocket. Then installing a better air filter. Then hogging out the ports and piston. Then comes more difficult stuff like changing the stroke.
The first few steps can be done at home for free by Johnny saw owner.
I have about 20 saws that I work with and they get replaced to keep them new, regularly. For me to pay to have them all power ported, or more, would be out of the question.
 
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Mike is in denial.

He is determined to believe that skillful basic modifications of the sawmotor will give only 10% increase in power. IF this were true it probably would be poor return for the money. If however you have done all the other things to reduce cutting times and are intrigued with the possibilities, go for the modifications. HecK I have spent 250 bucks in the bar in the name of fun and modding a saw has that beat all to he!! for kicks!
I had reservations about what tradeoffs there might be, so with an open mind I went about exploring the situation. If you shut off the imformation which does not jive with a preconceived notion, why bother with the exercise at all!
I will kick up the thread "What are the tradeoffs with a modified saw" to see if anyone has had negative experience.

Frank
 
mr mike maas maybe you should try a modded saw! it will only cost you a couple hundred bucks. then you will be able to make an informed decision about whether there worth it or not.
 
I already have a moded saw, a kd hotsaw echo 3450, and had and sold a moded husky 372.
Brian knows full well I have personal experience with ported saws, as we have discussed them in the past. He's just being himself.
I don't have anything against souping up a saw. Just don't try to overstate the gains.
Remember most moded saws have no warrenty. I don't know of any gaurentee that there will be any specific gain in power, just vauge statements about how you'll like it. Some improve a lot, others, not so much.
 
i'll second the pp346xpg. i love mine sweet little saw. should be getting my 372xp back from dan any day now. then i'll know what kind of true gains there are with a pp saw, i had allready opened up the muffler.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Maas
I don't have anything against souping up a saw.

Just don't try to overstate the gains.

Remember most moded saws have no warrenty. I don't know of any gaurentee that there will be any specific gain in power, just vauge statements about how you'll like it.

Some improve a lot, others, not so much.


Mike, That sounds like a bit more of a balanced statement. Dont also understate the gains! Some improve a lot!

Know your builder before you plunk down your money. If you are having trouble scraping up the rent money, you probably have better places to invest than saw mods too~

Frank
 
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