Always double check hardware

[Redbull]

O.K. pine is pretty heavy wood though. If thats the most anyone hangs, great, hanging big logs involves huge forces that can and have caused spars to fail with sometimes fatal results.

So is Oak, and we do it all the time. It's just like anything else, the proper precautions have to be taken.

 

[okietreedude1]

Will the guys using the above pulleys please inspect them and post the manufacturer? Im not asking this in a negative conotation to make them look bad, just as a way to see if truly everyone is using the same brand.

If so, the manufacturer needs to be involved in this, regardless of users inspection failures.

 

[Redbull]

I'm using the CMI Steel Block (zinc plated) that Sherrill sells in their sling and block combo. Mine is not bent near as bad as kennertrees, but I haven't loaded it while being unscrewed. It's bent enough that the lower sheave will not rotate freely and you can visibly see one of the cheek plates is deformed. This block has not been abused either, everything I have used it for has been well within it's operating capacities.

 

[kennertree]

cmi makes the block, but when used properly the block is indestructable. One just needs to always make sure the bolt is screwed all the way in on the upper sheeve.

 

[Redbull]

Thats the thing though. I've always checked mine and I have a cheek plate thats deformed. I must have side-loaded it without realizing it.

 

[RedlineIt]

I accept the possibility that the photo flash made the lower pulley look unevenly worn, when in fact it is spinning freely. I was looking at that photo with an extremely critical eye.

I think it is directly on point with the intent of this thread, examine your gear, make sure it is still functioning the way it was intended, every time you put it into play.

And clearance: Can't believe you've been on this board as long as you have and you still have no respect nor understanding for the work we residential arborists do.

Sure, "Bang It Down" is safe for me, no so approved by the client who has these unrealistic concerns revolving around their:

Roof
Gutters
Downspouts
Windows
Greenhouse
Deck (Including rails)
Fence
Pond
Fish Pond
Pool, and poolhouse, cabana
Irigation system, heads and buryed lines
Septic system
Imobile classic automobiles
Grandma's ashes
Prize winning Rhodods or Roses or Rhubarb

clearance, Residential arborists rig up more ingenious systems to take wood out and away from harm than logging has ever needed to.

When there is a safe spot to go big, we do, when it's complicated, we get tricky.

And by the way, pine is not particularly up the scale of wood weights.



RedlineIt

 

[clearance]

Redline-utility removals are way beyond any res. work. Difference being "oh. I wrecked the gutter" To "oh, I am dead" Done lots of res. buddy. Right on the invoice it says- Not responsible for damage to underground installations My old boss puts his guys #1 we take care of everthing on your list while putting ourselves first. If you want to push your luck and risk your life rigging with forces way beyond your possible knowledge thats your call.

 

[clearance]

Further more, regarding your little slag on logging. Loggers have figured out how to yard wood with the most genius systems and made it happen with awesome displays of brilliance and skill. Being in B.C. you should know this. And I don't just bang it down, blocks do land in the same spot from over a 100ft if you do it all the time. I would like to see you rigging down a few 100ft firs, block by fing block, waste of time and effort, specially on a hot day.

 

[Redbull]

Further more, regarding your little slag on logging. Loggers have figured out how to yard wood with the most genius systems and made it happen with awesome displays of brilliance and skill. Being in B.C. you should know this. And I don't just bang it down, blocks do land in the same spot from over a 100ft if you do it all the time. I would like to see you rigging down a few 100ft firs, block by fing block, waste of time and effort, specially on a hot day.

It's not a wate of time and effort if thats what the customer is paying for. They don't pay us big money to leave craters in their yard. The forces involved with rigging can be predicted if they are understood. If you don't understand the forces involved with rigging, than you are right, that person has no business doing so.
Also, I agree, mistakes in line clearance work are much less forgiving, but once that limb/log clears the wire, it's bombs away. We don't always have that luxury in residential work. The two really are seperate beasts in their own right.

 

[clearance]

O.K. Brandon I get it, I don't cause damage except to lawns. When the customer wants it and pays way more you get more money, I guess that makes sense.

 

[Redbull]

I think of low impact removals as a sales tool. It's a way to upsell the customer and offer them something that few companies in my area can offer. I really do respect what you do Clearance, but respect is also due to those of us that can remove a monster from someones backyard without leaving a trace of our presence on their property, including no turf damage.
And to stay on topice here,
DOUBLE CHECK YOU HARDWARE!!

 

[Redbull]

Also, when I worked for Asplundh, it was bombs away there. As long as the lawn was the only thing taking a beating, we didn't care. Our customer was the utility company and they were concerned about production, not relations with their customers.

 

[kennertree]

I think of low impact removals as a sales tool. It's a way to upsell the customer and offer them something that few companies in my area can offer. I really do respect what you do Clearance, but respect is also due to those of us that can remove a monster from someones backyard without leaving a trace of our presence on their property, including no turf damage.
And to stay on topice here,
DOUBLE CHECK YOU HARDWARE!!

I use it as a sales too also redbull. I also have on my proposals that im not responsible for turf damage unless otherwise stated. If the customer has a really nice yard i suggest the low impact removal. I would rather it be bombs away on every job but when a tree is in the middle of a flower bed and alot of landscaping around bombs away just wont work. I also respect what you do clearance. I have worked on a line crew and i know it can be dangerous but residential is no less dangerous than utility clearance. I find residential to be alot more challenging.

 

[RedlineIt]

clearance,

I

would like to see you rigging down a few 100ft firs, block by fing block, waste of time and effort, specially on a hot day.

It is faster, and less tiring actually, to rig the spar down in sizeable chunks, safe and sane, and buck it up on the ground, than block it out.

Loggers have figured out how to yard wood with the most genius systems and made it happen with awesome displays of brilliance and skill. Being in B.C. you should know this.

43 DEATHS in B.C. logging last year. That is a lot of kids with no Daddy, alot of people with no son.

Yeah, I know how it works. Grapple yarder pulling timber dislodges boulders which roll downhill killing the hooktender.

Brilliance and skill? Great gobs of Bovine Excrement.

Death on the jobsite is not my definition of skill.

EVERYONE, Doublecheck your Rig, EVERYTIME you put it in play.


RedlineIt

 

[clearance]

Redline, lets see, blocking a tree down with a 395, or blocking it on the ground with a 395 after you have lowered it all down. So doing all the rigging and bucking it on the ground instead of just pushing of blocks is faster, o.k.. The fatalities in logging are spread out, mostly fallers and truck drivers, not many on the yarding crew. Guys on the yarding crew are dealing with huge wood, steep ground, 1" cables, V12 diesel yarders, 150lb. blocks, way beyond anything arborists do in scale and potential mayhem. Anyways, you are always within 20 minutes of a hospital in the lower mainland, working on flat ground. "Yeah, I know how it works", really? Take it easy guys, maybe you will be more carefull, kind of like I am about one handing after all the discussions here, I would sure feel like a moron if I cut myself one handing now.

 

[RedlineIt]

lets see, blocking a tree down with a 395, or blocking it on the ground with a 395 after you have lowered it all down. So doing all the rigging and bucking it on the ground instead of just pushing of blocks is faster, o.k..

Of course it is faster. If you have help to lower the sections, you have help to buck them up. I hope I'm not breaking new ground for you here, but two or even three people cutting blocks on the ground are faster than I can do it in the tree.

Anyways, you are always within 20 minutes of a hospital in the lower mainland, working on flat ground

There's flat ground on the mainland? Who knew? Who cared?

 

[RedlineIt]

EVERYONE, double check your gear EVERYTIME it goes into play.

No slack allowed.

RedlineIt

 

[SRT-Tech]

that design of sideplate release is a killing waiting to happen. If you cannot see that, well, i urge you to think about what happens when your dropping a log attached to a rope running thru a block. Believe it or not, the block ACTUALLY moves around, twisting sideways, sometimes rotating against the trunk. The way the release handle sticks out, it is very prone to catching on slings, the fissures in the trunk, the rope, or anyhting other object it might encounter. It is way too easy to open it.

Simply put, its a piss poor design.

 

[Grace Tree]

I bought the same block last year from Sherrill with the sheave locked solidly to the axle. Apparently the assembler had gotten sloppy with the locktite. I needed to use it the next day so I pressed it out and buffed off the residue and reassembled. No troubles since and CMI responded immediately when I contacted them.
Phil