Axe Men is back I got a question

[rwoods]

Gologit, good for you for sending him packing. Lucky for him that he didn't kill the driver or have to pay for the damage. Like I said my experience has been with smaller stuff; I have seen the mixed results as well. I can't explain the different behaviors. I once put a chain in the middle seats of my old Land Cruiser after it had already went through the tempered back glass and left multiple link indentations in the tailgate. No jerking involved - just slowly pulling a chain free from some bundles of re-bar that I had just pulled off the side of a semi-trailer. I have yet to witness the launched trailer ball from a recovery strap but I don't doubt that they are deadly. I have learned to look for stout attachment points, to pre-load things when using chains, tow straps, stiff ropes and cables, to be real careful with momentum recovery straps and ropes, and to stay as clear as possible. Ron

 

[RandyMac]

I got a good stripe from 50 pound test fighting a lingcod.

 

[northmanlogging]

My folks had some 2" nylon ropes with a bit of chain attached to each end, worked good for getting a run at something and rubber banding them out of a hole, never broke one, but tore a few bumpers off...

Straight chains really don't like to be jerked on, cables will handle a sudden load a little better but not by much they usually get cut at the attachment point, or have a kink no one noticed or cared about...

I've seen cables, chains and ropes snap back, always figured cable to be the safest, when they launch its usually from the load being sprung somehow, be it rubber tires, hold trees or what ever, ropes will really get yer attention since they are built to stretch a bit, and chains are just plain unreliable.

 

[Gologit]

I got a good stripe from 50 pound test fighting a lingcod.

LINGCOD!!! Yup, it's on the list. Right after the Christmas crab feed.

 

[RandyMac]

LINGCOD!!! Yup, it's on the list. Right after the Christmas crab feed.

A few years back, I landed a 27 pound "green" off the rocks at the old quarry, just South of Pt. St. George, took 45 minutes.

 

[SliverPicker]

I've cut nothing but dead lodgepole for the past 4 years. I haven't been paid $20 for a single tree in that entire time. No joke.

As an arborist I can imagine that one might get $3000 for single dead, dried up lodgepole pine depending on the circumstance, but what do I know about arboristing?

 

[SliverPicker]

Randy, where's Point St. George?.

 

[logger170]

Its a good show... to sleep through

 

[Gologit]

Randy, where's Point St. George?.

Crescent City.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George_Reef_Light

 

[OlympicYJ]

We were pulling vine maple clumps one time with the 690D hoe and we snapped a 1/2 " (think it was 1/2 or 5/8) cable. No shock loads just steady pulling and thunk. Agreed with all you guys about people not being safe. Been around the offroading scene a while and what gets me is the overhype of the danger of cable and the urging of people to buy synthetic winch line. They say it doesn't whip but you wouldn't catch me standing in the bite. They also encourage putting your hood up and placing a damper on the end of the cable. Personally I have done neither as I wouldn't be able to see with the hood up and I just never had a damper to put on the cable plus you'd have to have someone remove it to continue winching. I see the biggest reason those guys break line from having damaged cable and or the sudden shock loading. I do neither. Another pet peve is people grunting the crap out of their winch. They claim heavy prolonged winching can damage your electric winch and drain your battery. This is true but they are just sitting there with the winch not moving; of course something is going to burn up! I double line things alot of the time to reduce strain on the winch and get the job done with less screwing around. I've had some long hard pulls double lining and all right in a row and have yet to burn up a winch. I guess the ranting comes down to people need to understand their equipment and it's limitations, and accordingly act intelligent. Alright rant is over. LOL

 

[chucker]

olympicYJ, = plainly said with all facts in check! you know your limits ! you also need to know your working tools limits as well.... the plain truth point is, the tool is only as good as the operator!

 

[OlympicYJ]

Oh yeah AxMen is a dramatized fake piece of crap. I do know that Mike Papac is a good guy. From what I have seen on the show in the past they didn't make his image look bad but some of his crew... His operation is much bigger than what it would appear on the show.

 

[OlympicYJ]

olympicYJ, = plainly said with all facts in check! you know your limits ! you also need to know your working tools limits as well.... the plain truth point is, the tool is only as good as the operator!

Thank you sir. Sadly I feel most are not good operators... As far as synthetic rope goes it's great stuff for those that don't have access to a good riggin shop or can't make eyes themselves. I prefer the durability of cable myself. It is a little heavier but I know what I can and can't do with it. The syn is nice for packing but pinches on the drum like crazy but can be pulled out pretty easily. Spent most of a day pulling fence posts with jeep. We used the winch for hard to reach spots but I finally convinced him to stop screwing with the winch and let me hook the strap directly to the tow hooks. Our production picked up enormously lol

 

[chucker]

no bight, to you or your tools! I use a 8000 # dc electric winch myself with double lining more often than I like (slower) with limited day light.... always need to be two jumps ahead of the cable tender(myself again) to keep the production in line! syn. line can stay in the shop where it's made for my 2 cents !!

 

[rwoods]

... I guess the ranting comes down to people need to understand their equipment and it's limitations, and accordingly act intelligent. Alright rant is over. LOL

Guilty of failure on all three counts. And most folks I hung out with during my off-roading days were guilty as well. I learned the hard way about shock loads - can't rightly recall how many bumpers I have ripped off, including two from vehicles that were stuck in snow. Can't even attempt to recall how much destruction I witnessed by others.

I put a few stress cracks in my winch's worm gear housing trying to jerk down my first major barberchair. I have also smoked a few winch motors and solenoids while running triple high amp batteries and playing skidder. Only once have I put my hood up while winching and that was when a solenoid stuck closed as I was winching my way out of a pond (my battery cutoff switch was only wired to the two auxiliary batteries). There was only about three feet of cable left when I finally got the vehicle battery disconnected. Years later to pull stumps, I mounted the old worm drive to a box blade which I chained to a tree. I eliminated the shock loads by making a 4 pulley block and tackle and I eliminated the electric motor issues by converting to hydraulic powered by my small tractor. Pulled a bunch of 6" and small stumps before pulling the worm gear through the case sending shrapnel everywhere including a nice chunk that flew just over my head. Postmortem show failure at the aforementioned stress cracks.

Yes, sir, I am guilty but thankful uninjured.

Ron

 

[OlympicYJ]

Well at least you learned Ron and don't blame the gear. Part of learning your gears limits is screwing up. Done that plenty myself too. Not trying to sound like I'm totally perfect. Otherwise I'd be well we know what that would be... at least I hope I'm not lol

 

[Gologit]

Yup. If screwups counted for college credits I'd be a PhD by now.

 

[treeslayer2003]

Yup. If screwups counted for college credits I'd be a PhD by now.

thats funny cuz its true for me lol............or on many occasions i knew the old man's foot would find my rear end and i'd still have to fix it..............that count for higher learning?

 

[northmanlogging]

I think that's a PHD in posterior awarness... if not it should be.

 

[kentishman]

Just happened to catch last weeks episode tonight, In this episode it has a father and his sons cutting some kind of dead pine. The father keeps yelling this is a $3000 dollar log standing next to a $2000 dollar log and they have hundreds of them to fall.

I've just watched it. What gets me is the way the father keeps going on about the importance of doing things the 'right way'. What could he possibly be referring to?!