Back at it again!

[Greystoke]

Logging Protestors are idiots!

Since when does being liberal mean being a hippie tree hugger? I'm a semi middling Liberal, but support logging. It is a truly green industry and sustainability is not just a newly discovered buzz word when it comes to harvesting wood in our area.

No, your hippie protestors are probably kids who have wealthy parents to support them, or people who rely on trust funds. Maybe it is a class project?
I'd still just barbecue, give the chained up ones lots of coffee and soy milk, and let nature take its course.

Seriously, one Earth Firstie from Texas, called Gypsy, was killed when he got hit by a tree in Humboldt County. He became a martyr. The stupid guy was running up from below the cutter to try to stop the cutting. The protestors wanted the cutter tried for manslaughter. The prosecutor refused. What a mess it was. I felt sorry for the cutter. How dare that idiot wreck a guy's life and I'm talking about wrecking the cutter's life--not the dead guy.

Out of all the states in the PNW and Alaska that I have worked in, Humboldt County was by far the worst! I could fill five pages of threads on here with stories about ignorant hippie antics in Humboldt, and I was only there for four years! I showed up right after gypsy got himself killed and it was a zoo around that area. I definitely feel for that faller, as I dang near accidentally fell a tree on one too...had a tree faced and was back cutting (picture about a 30 inch tree with a good lean to the gun with about 4 inches of holding wood left with stiff gusts of wind from the backside) when his stupid head popped up in the brush right where I had the tree gunned:jawdrop:hurried up and jammed the wedge back in the undercut and tried to talk the idiot out of there to no avail. Luckily I had a couple of bullbucks with me, and the cops showed up and scared the moron away...that guy was so close to death, and I would have felt responsible for it, and that pisses me off! Those maggots were always trying to make it look like we were trying to hurt or kill them; They even brought cameras to take pictures of us and our pickup license plates...okay, sorry I am ranting:rant:this just really sticks in my craw! It was my understanding that the tree huggers in Humboldt were financed by Sierra Club and others like it, so a note to all reading this: always be sure that you know where your money is going!

 

[eastside]

oregoncutter-
in regards to your reply, i think you make a great point about the fact that they do many ridiculous things and anyone in their right mind has reason to get mad. i would myself, anyone can relate to that. i'm coming from the standpoint that by conciously trying to maintain a non-biased view that more can be done by that than simply beating the :censored: out of each other. i realize that it has been ongoing for many years and those who have dealt with it are probably really over it by now, so my response lacks the first hand experience with it, that many of you have.

as for being a forester, i grew up doing forest work from a very young age and by no means consider an education a holier than thou or 'i'm better than you'. i consider myself a professional from both experience and education, but know that there are many others out there with far more knowledge and experience, even without an education. i consider an education simply supplemental to experience.

as for goligit- its funny that despite what i have to say that you continue to call names and 'neg-rep' me. firstly, i could care less about a negative internet rating. it just strengthens my opinion that fighting with each other doesn't get anyone further, it only makes a problem worse. i did come from a standpoint of this is how it should be in and 'ideal world', but realize that nothing can be perfect and there will be conflicts, its inevitable. there was in no way any attempt to make myself seem better than anyone or say how people handle themselves is wrong i never said anything bad about anyone, but offered an opinion, so you can take it or leave it, leave it in your case. its a 'forestry and logging' forum, i replied to offer my opinion, sorry i didn't know it was a closed society of opinion and thought here.

 

[Gologit]

oregoncutter-


as for goligit- its funny that despite what i have to say that you continue to call names and 'neg-rep' me. firstly, i could care less about a negative internet rating. it just strengthens my opinion that fighting with each other doesn't get anyone further, it only makes a problem worse. i did come from a standpoint of this is how it should be in and 'ideal world', but realize that nothing can be perfect and there will be conflicts, its inevitable. there was in no way any attempt to make myself seem better than anyone or say how people handle themselves is wrong i never said anything bad about anyone, but offered an opinion, so you can take it or leave it, leave it in your case. its a 'forestry and logging' forum, i replied to offer my opinion, sorry i didn't know it was a closed society of opinion and thought here.

I didn't call you any names...I simply described you. I stand by what I said.

You certainly have a right to offer your opinion here, ill informed and ridiculous as it may be. But if my opinion differs from yours, and it does in almost all repects, you have to realize that it's the opinion itself and not the person offering it who is being addressed. You need to work on this.

The Logging and Forestry thread has many many professional loggers in it. We make our money logging and it's also our way of life. We've been dealing with people who try to tell us our business for so long that we've become spring-loaded with defense mechanisms when some outsider, pro or con, tries to tell us our business. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Unless we, as loggers, speak up when attacked, or even when ill advised as in your case, our industry will continue to suffer from well meaning but basically poorly qualified people who think they know anything at all about the world we work and live in.

So...offer your opinions. But when you get clobbered for them just buck up and learn from it. This ain't a church social.

 

[Metals406]

I didn't call you any names...I simply described you. I stand by what I said.

You certainly have a right to offer your opinion here, ill informed and ridiculous as it may be. But if my opinion differs from yours, and it does in almost all repects, you have to realize that it's the opinion itself and not the person offering it who is being addressed. You need to work on this.

The Logging and Forestry thread has many many professional loggers in it. We make our money logging and it's also our way of life. We've been dealing with people who try to tell us our business for so long that we've become spring-loaded with defense mechanisms when some outsider, pro or con, tries to tell us our business. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Unless we, as loggers, speak up when attacked, or even when ill advised as in your case, our industry will continue to suffer from well meaning but basically poorly qualified people who think they know anything at all about the world we work and live in.

So...offer your opinions. But when you get clobbered for them just buck up and learn from it. This ain't a church social.

 

[eastside]

gologit, you can make whatever assumptions and describe me how ever you see fit. i could care less. it may be "ill informed and ridiculous" to you, but your response to what i offered seems close-minded and bitter to me. i understand there are many pro loggers on this forum and have the upmost respect for what they do. my only intentions when i offered up my initial post was to present another way of looking at things. it's a high profile industry that deals with a lot of conflict, that's just the way it is. as for bucking up, no worries on that, can't make me run away to the bunny-lovers group hug that easy.

 

[Metals406]

Hey Bob!.. You're gonna get this kid as the forester on your next job! :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Gologit]

Hey Bob!.. You're gonna get this kid as the forester on your next job! :hmm3grin2orange:

If I do I'll put him in charge of dealing with the anti-logging protesters. He can be my public relations guy. Maybe he can try out some of his theories, make the world a kinder gentler place, have meaningful dialogues with opposing viewpoints, eat a few granola bars, drink some organic herbal tea, get his picture in the newspapers, maybe even get arrested with them to show his solidarity and dedication to meaningful communication.

Like I said, this kid probably means well. He just hasn't been around long enough to have seen enough real world situations. If his ideas would work I'd be the first person to encourage trying them. I wish his ideas would work...things would be a lot simpler. But they won't. The protesters want confrontation. I've been dealing with anti-logging types for enough years to know that every time we concede even the most minor point to them we lose ground.

Civility doesn't work with people who'll sabotage your equipment and endanger your life. I consider these to be acts of aggression and assault...and if faced with such acts I'll respond accordingly.

 

[Metals406]

If I do I'll put him in charge of dealing with the anti-logging protesters. He can be my public relations guy. Maybe he can try out some of his theories, make the world a kinder gentler place, have meaningful dialogues with opposing viewpoints, eat a few granola bars, drink some organic herbal tea, get his picture in the newspapers, maybe even get arrested with them to show his solidarity and dedication to meaningful communication.

Like I said, this kid probably means well. He just hasn't been around long enough to have seen enough real world situations. If his ideas would work I'd be the first person to encourage trying them. I wish his ideas would work...things would be a lot simpler. But they won't. The protesters want confrontation. I've been dealing with anti-logging types for enough years to know that every time we concede even the most minor point to them we lose ground.

Civility doesn't work with people who'll sabotage your equipment and endanger your life. I consider these to be acts of aggression and assault...and if faced with such acts I'll respond accordingly.

 

[oregoncutter]

Typical

gologit, you can make whatever assumptions and describe me how ever you see fit. i could care less. it may be "ill informed and ridiculous" to you, but your response to what i offered seems close-minded and bitter to me. i understand there are many pro loggers on this forum and have the upmost respect for what they do. my only intentions when i offered up my initial post was to present another way of looking at things. it's a high profile industry that deals with a lot of conflict, that's just the way it is. as for bucking up, no worries on that, can't make me run away to the bunny-lovers group hug that easy.

I understand the point that Eastside is trying to get across, but the way it was presented was typical of a current or recently graduated college student, it was presented like it was a message from a higher being, and contained alot of comments that could be taken poorly. I think an education is important whether You get it from experience or from a school. Unfortunately alot of today's students have been made to believe they can save the whales, the trees, and make world peace by forcing their opinion on someone from the knowledge, and empowerment they have recieved in school by biased, and arrogant, brainwashing instructors (not all instructors either), I fear alot of these young folks are in for a hard lesson in reality when they enter the real world that has people that will disagree with them and call their bluff when they talk out their a$$. I agree with GOLOGIT after years of having unexperienced or unknowledgeable people try to tell You how to do You're job it gets real old, and I know my first response is to shut em up real quick, or defend myself.

 

[PB]

If I do I'll put him in charge of dealing with the anti-logging protesters. He can be my public relations guy. Maybe he can try out some of his theories, make the world a kinder gentler place, have meaningful dialogues with opposing viewpoints, eat a few granola bars, drink some organic herbal tea, get his picture in the newspapers, maybe even get arrested with them to show his solidarity and dedication to meaningful communication.

Like I said, this kid probably means well. He just hasn't been around long enough to have seen enough real world situations. If his ideas would work I'd be the first person to encourage trying them. I wish his ideas would work...things would be a lot simpler. But they won't. The protesters want confrontation. I've been dealing with anti-logging types for enough years to know that every time we concede even the most minor point to them we lose ground.

Civility doesn't work with people who'll sabotage your equipment and endanger your life. I consider these to be acts of aggression and assault...and if faced with such acts I'll respond accordingly.

See Eastside, you went and pissed off the cranky old man. Now get off his lawn.

You may have good intentions, but you are also preaching to the people that are not breaking any laws or putting people in danger. They are trying to make a paycheck. I think their reaction is normal, and the protestors are so far out of line in their thoughts and they are the ones that need a dose of common sense. Hard line figures on both sides, long ago, planted the seeds for this "debate" and now people are paying the consequences. I don't know a single person that gives irrational protests any serious thought. If they stood at the gate with signs as the trucks drive by, maybe but when you chain yourself to a gate they are just looking to be on the TV as a martyr to satisfy their need for glory.

 

[bullbuck]

...its funny what an "education"does to some people...i feel for whoever gets that guy on their jobsite...

 

[slowp]

gologit, you can make whatever assumptions and describe me how ever you see fit. i could care less. it may be "ill informed and ridiculous" to you, but your response to what i offered seems close-minded and bitter to me. i understand there are many pro loggers on this forum and have the upmost respect for what they do. my only intentions when i offered up my initial post was to present another way of looking at things. it's a high profile industry that deals with a lot of conflict, that's just the way it is. as for bucking up, no worries on that, can't make me run away to the bunny-lovers group hug that easy.

If, and I take it you haven't, you experienced what a lot of us (I'm a semi-educated "forester") you'd be bitter too. Take for instance, Clinton's Northwest Forest plan. It has never been implemented fully. Pretty much everything BUT the logging part has. How can those of us who have been affected by it not be bitter? Are we supposed to clap our hands cheer at the other jobs created by it? Like slug surveying, lichen surveying, owl surveying, but very little actual work to produce anything useful, unless one is a specialist who will get additional money to perform endless studies. Studies and Surveys...can't have enough....Ooops, I'm getting bitter.

Meanwhile, you Douglas Countyers better start padding your county with more money. It took more money for Humboldt County to lock up the eco-jerks than they had budgeted for it. If they continue to protest, maybe the county needs an internet site for donations? Maybe somebody ought to remind the protesters that they themselves are taking money that could better be spent on libraries and such. But I don't think they really care about that.

 

[peanut]

so how much fuel oil and antifreeze was dumped out of that truck

yeah?

 

[peanut]

I didn't call you any names...I simply described you. I stand by what I said.

You certainly have a right to offer your opinion here, ill informed and ridiculous as it may be. But if my opinion differs from yours, and it does in almost all repects, you have to realize that it's the opinion itself and not the person offering it who is being addressed. You need to work on this.

The Logging and Forestry thread has many many professional loggers in it. We make our money logging and it's also our way of life. We've been dealing with people who try to tell us our business for so long that we've become spring-loaded with defense mechanisms when some outsider, pro or con, tries to tell us our business. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Unless we, as loggers, speak up when attacked, or even when ill advised as in your case, our industry will continue to suffer from well meaning but basically poorly qualified people who think they know anything at all about the world we work and live in.

So...offer your opinions. But when you get clobbered for them just buck up and learn from it. This ain't a church social.

I have to say 3 things: 1. college boy should get a job with the govt. 10 yrs ago I met a gov't inspecter for cattle who insisted the market cycle for beef was this, "cow, bull, steer, what's the difference,for 5 yrs you get milk, then turn the steer into boots and burgers. 2. I can't stomach stupidity or extremism, the hippies and college boy are being extremely stupid. 3. Gologit take the advice of the Gospels "if you find a non-believer shake the dust from your feet and leave". Don't waste your time arguing with fools.

 

[peanut]

Maybe somebody ought to remind the protesters that they themselves are taking money that could better be spent on libraries and such.


Libraries = books = more dead trees . Your calculus (my 50 cent word of the day) is flawed.

 

[slowp]

I have to say 3 things: 1. college boy should get a job with the govt. .

Actually, college person could get a job with the govt. if he/she was not to choosy where to go or what to do. There's a lot of openings and more to come. The latest? Hayfork, Collyfonia. They must not have gotten any applicants because they just extended the job applying time.:greenchainsaw:

 

[Jacob J.]

I spent part of a season at Hayfork. It was as much fun as a root canal. A 30-day root canal.

 

[Gologit]

I spent part of a season at Hayfork. It was as much fun as a root canal. A 30-day root canal.

LOL...Hayfork is better than Hyampom.

 

[slowp]

I'll bump this up. For the first time in a long time, there is a want ad for a TY-90 yarder engineer and hook tender in the Chehalis/Centralia newspaper. It is an Oregon area code.

Also, our local mill is hiring. Strange?

 

[Junior]

I'll bump this up. For the first time in a long time, there is a want ad for a TY-90 yarder engineer and hook tender in the Chehalis/Centralia newspaper. It is an Oregon area code.

Also, our local mill is hiring. Strange?

Seen the same ad in the Oregonian...