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Bore cuts scare me. When you go to cut that last bit of wood in the back and you dont have your wedges pounded in (LMAO) you can get in a bad spot really fast with a pinched bar and a tree coming right fir you and the saw. As opposed to a regular back cut where you can observe the back cut closing and pull your saw out real quick or tap a wedge in. It is crazy to me unless it is a heavy head leaner and even then cutting the heart fro the face is way quicker and easier.

Who cares, as long as they dont MAKE me dod it im fine. Haha I remember last time the crew went to the GOL class. I took the day off. . .
 
GASoline71 said:
I LOL'd all the way through that one...

That tree could have been on the ground in25 seconds instaed of all the monkeying around.

Gary
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Lol, ya it just reeked of, "I did a plunge cut, therefore I am."
it's probably not fair to critique the newbie plungers, but what the hell do they say about us when we're not around? Lol
John

 
Yukonsawman said:
Lol, ya it just reeked of, "I did a plunge cut, therefore I am."
it's probably not fair to critique the newbie plungers, but what the hell do they say about us when we're not around? Lol
John
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they know better than to say to our faces, if they did, they would remember the event, every time they looked in the mirror.
 
Last night I had a Gas and John story, over half an hour invested, I laughed through the whole thing, hit submit during a squall and it disappeared to where ever things go. Can't do it again.
 
RandyMac said:
Last night I had a Gas and John story, over half an hour invested, I laughed through the whole thing, hit submit during a squall and it disappeared to where ever things go. Can't do it again.
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Randy, I'm sure you have perfect recall. Just wait for another lucid moment and it will all come back to you. Lol
John
 
what the hell do they say about us when we're not around? Lol


I do wonder about this since we have developed techniques to deal the the size and complexity of the timber on the west coast and these techniques seem to be shown and are being pushed in the east coast even for Govt fallers. I agree Gary that he could have whipped that "big" tree down with a simple undercut and backcut and eliminated alot of exposure time to himself. I do say I always get a kick out of these videos that show these fallers cutting and wondering how much on the stump time these guys have because from these videos they look like they would be pretty broke off after dealing with some of the timber and ground its it growin on the left coast.
 
FSburt said:
... I do say I always get a kick out of these videos that show these fallers cutting and wondering how much on the stump time these guys have because from these videos they look like they would be pretty broke off after dealing with some of the timber and ground its it growin on the left coast.
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Yup. Maybe those guys are working by the hour.
 
Gologit said:
You must have a real great boss. If I had a cutter who purposely let some rookie fall a tree into powerlines and it cost me "five or ten thousand dollars" I don't think I'd be that understanding. I think I'd have wonder why anybody in their right mind would allow somebody who really didn't know any better to do something so damn dangerous.
Logging in your part of the country must pay a heck of lot better than it does out here if your boss can afford to spend money like that. If one of my guys did something like that I'd have to figure out whether I could afford to keep him or not. And I think I know what the answer would be.
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This particular job was a union job and was a by the hour ROW "right of way" job and we where just selling the marketable logs and where chipping the rest.....oh and the boss did let for an added coushion for an accident if it occoured in the bill...as WE where getting PAID to remove the trees and do the brush removal and clearing.....now im sure it would've been different if we where just cutting it for JUST the log money and thats it....i bet i would've got a big time a$$ chewin as well....but on THIS job it wasnt the case....and this kid was also hired on to be a cutter the same as i was....so where really was i wrong to let him cut it?.....remember HE told ME that he could do it better....im not the boss and if i would boss him around i sure that neither him or the boss would've appreciated it....so then i would've been the bad guy....one of those d**ned if you do D**ned if you dont moments....now granted i was working there longer than he was...but that still doesnt mean im the boss....
 
2dogs said:
Really? You let a kid fall a tree into power lines just to prove a point. I would have fired you right then and there. Both of us would have been sued by the Public Utility Commission to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars too. You would also be in jail within an hour. Or maybe you are just a BSer.

Go back to the chainsaw forum.
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hmmm...yes i did...and yes i did.....BSer...i think not....lol. "several hundred thousand dollars"????:spam:....hahahahah lmfao!.... B...S... ill stay right here..:)

BTW...pm's are a nice way to communicate without cluttering up a post..
 
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stihl 440 said:
This particular job was a union job and was a by the hour ROW "right of way" job and we where just selling the marketable logs and where chipping the rest.....oh and the boss did let for an added coushion for an accident if it occoured in the bill...as WE where getting PAID to remove the trees and do the brush removal and clearing.....now im sure it would've been different if we where just cutting it for JUST the log money and thats it....i bet i would've got a big time a$$ chewin as well....but on THIS job it wasnt the case....and this kid was also hired on to be a cutter the same as i was....so where really was i wrong to let him cut it?.....remember HE told ME that he could do it better....im not the boss and if i would boss him around i sure that neither him or the boss would've appreciated it....so then i would've been the bad guy....one of those d**ned if you do D**ned if you dont moments....now granted i was working there longer than he was...but that still doesnt mean im the boss....
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Maybe so. But you, because you couldn't figure out any other way to teach him, put him in a position where he could have been killed. You had no right to do that, no matter how much of an idiot the guy was. Maybe, just maybe,because he was an idiot, you might have picked some other method to show him the right way to do things.

I've knocked down a few wires and walked away from it. I used to know two guys who didn't get away with it. In both cases they just barely brushed the wires with the top quarter of the tree. That was enough. It wasn't anything I care to see again.

Mouthy guys and know it alls are a PITA and I can understand you wanting to teach him a lesson. Smart mouthed rookies are always blowing their own horn and sometimes they need a little schooling. But letting him drop a tree across hot lines, when you damn well knew they were hot, wasn't the way to go about it.
I would have fired you for doing it and would have been glad to see you go. Nothing personal.
 
There are alot of guys out there that can talk a good story and make one believe they have more experience than what they do. Even when proven wrong they will still chirp away, because in their own mind they have done it all.
so I don't think we can say that 440 was wrong or negligent for letting buddy dump that tree.
The accomplished know it all is very adept at convincing others that they have seen everything.
Often the job goes to the one who knows the least.
John
 
Gologit said:
Maybe so. But you, because you couldn't figure out any other way to teach him, put him in a position where he could have been killed. You had no right to do that, no matter how much of an idiot the guy was. Maybe, just maybe,because he was an idiot, you might have picked some other method to show him the right way to do things.

I've knocked down a few wires and walked away from it. I used to know two guys who didn't get away with it. In both cases they just barely brushed the wires with the top quarter of the tree. That was enough. It wasn't anything I care to see again.

Mouthy guys and know it alls are a PITA and I can understand you wanting to teach him a lesson. Smart mouthed rookies are always blowing their own horn and sometimes they need a little schooling. But letting him drop a tree across hot lines, when you damn well knew they were hot, wasn't the way to go about it.
I would have fired you for doing it and would have been glad to see you go. Nothing personal.
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I tried to teach this kid something but again he was just one of those guys...he knew it all....i tried..the boss even tried and was getting pi$$ed at him....they were just cable wires no hot electric...i wasnt gonna kill the d@mn kid....he11 im not that mean...lol..i knew they weren't electric... But if my expirences offend some of you guys then im sorry...didnt mean to offend anybody... Listen i NEVER said MY way was BEST....& i dont know it all....if you think you know it all..well..then i cant help you either..... Do I borecut every tree?.....no....EVERY cut has a place...EVERY tree is different...EVERY one has their own opinion....mine is mine and yours is yours....i've worked with some veterans that where d@mn good fallers....if you didnt respect them and didnt listen to them they wouldnt show you nothin.....well...i just kept my mouth shut and ears open.... As for you gologit....nothing personal taken....
 
Yukonsawman said:
These plunge guys take the job quite seriously.
John

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That had to be the dumbest thing I have ever witnessed especially the BALLPEEN HAMMER!!! That would have been limbed and bucked had he felled it like a man.
 

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