Christmas Wraptoring

[tree MDS]

You cannot try one for fear of getting a WUI (Wraptoring under the influence...hic hic hicup lol)

Hahaha.. Maybe you can rig something up so you can wraptor your old ass off the bed, just enough to use the bed pan in a couple more years! hahaha.

No, sounds like a good toy though! :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[mr. holden wood]

Yeah the wraptor not worth much without modern throw lines, bean bags, big shot and cube.

Typical scenario....you show up and you have a hundred foot plus oak, tuliptree, sycamore, etc..... I do them all the time to a tune of usually about $l500 ea.

You have 3 big leads that need deadwood out of each of them. Usually one shot and I am set up. I can go up either side of the wraptor rope and either work the other 2 leads from the one I chose first or go to the ground and shoot the other 2 individually.

You got any vid of you srt footlocking up over a hundred feet holden? That would be quite amusing methinks.

I doubt you work hundred foot trees "all the time" The tallest recorded tree in Ohio is a hundred and thrity five feet. Being that its a cottonwood it's either dead or lost it leader by this point. So you might not even have a tree a hundred feet tall in ohio.
No footage of me foot locking, I use a couple petzl ascenders and webbing for foot loops, simple and efficient. Looks like a fun toy though, would be better used for those NorCal rec climbers.

 

[the Aerialist]

I don't need no stinking shot bag ...

... If/when I get one I'll have to brush up on the throw line though, to say I'm woeful is putting it kindly.

I'm just going to shoot a line 100' up with my rope gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa6F1q8cD0M

And just wait until I get my rope rocket mounted on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5wejEqSE2w

I'll have a line setting device capable of leaping over tall buildings! Then my wench will just haul my ass up there.

 

[treevet]

I doubt you work hundred foot trees "all the time" The tallest recorded tree in Ohio is a hundred and thrity five feet. Being that its a cottonwood it's either dead or lost it leader by this point. So you might not even have a tree a hundred feet tall in ohio.
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I work in trees over a hundred feet tall on at least a weekly basis....in my own little town alone. I have a copy of "Ohio's Biggest Trees" right in front of me and there are about 40 tree species registered over 100 feet with a few of the tallest being......

Tuliptree 165 feet
Sycamore 130 feet
White pine 155 feet
Chestnut oak 130 feet
Bur oak 120 feet
Pignut hickory 120 feet
Hemlock 140 feet
Shagbark hick 120 feet
Hackberry 120 feet
Slippery elm 120 feet
A. elm 110 feet
W ash 120 feet
A beech 110 feet

These are not nec the tallest trees of this species (trees win by a combination of trunk, canopy size and height) and I did not include anything shorter than 110 feet

nor does it mean these are the only individual trees of these trees species that are over a hundred feet by any means.

Last month alone I did 3 free climbing jobs of trees measured by my climbing line at well over 100 feet for $1500. ea. One was a 140 foot syc and one was a 140 foot tuliptree.

The town next to mine that we frequent has more over a hundred feet too that we frequent. We are the big tree go to guys in this niche area.

Any apology offered Holden?

 

[treevet]

ps what does it mean you use "webbing for foot loops"?

how can you use hand ascenders without footlocking or pantin/similar devices?

 

[Rickytree]

Hi Ricky, pardon the temporary derail. The Dual bollard was designed with several incentives i.e. cradling large horizontals - http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=105814

Speed-lining,

Load transfer between trees, or rigging points,

Load-sharing heavy blocks i.e. better heat dissipation, half the wear/strain on the ropes/slings etc, the ability to stop a log suddenly but with only half the risk of breaking the line. In all, the ability to safely manage bigger wood all round :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjqJs7YYnMo

RE: wraptor

Congratulations, I would have one in an instant, and I might in 2011 depending on how things turn out. I'm a spurs and flipline man myself, but we still do our share of big puning jobs. It seem's the guys who've bought them so far all seem to say the same thing, wish we'd had one years ago!

If/when I get one I'll have to brush up on the throw line though, to say I'm woeful is putting it kindly.

Thanks Reg!

I see your points on the system of the double bollard. Hey when are you coming to Vancouver!

 

[the Aerialist]

I can use any help I can get ...

This Summer I was so overwhelmed with work I brought in a climber with three years experience. I had also been working with my Nephew who at that point had three weeks of experience.

First thing I did was walk them around the property to show them the work for the day. There were six trees to trim and I directed them to put ladders up to the two easiest trees. I told the Nephew to take one tree (the easiest) and the new climber to the other (also easy).

The new climber said "I don't use a ladder to climb trees" in distain. I said "OK, pick another one". He proceeded to get out his throwbag and went over to another tree (not one that I was being paid to trim). I let him go, I was more interested in seeing if I could use him as a climber than which tree he climbed.

He messed around with his gear and his bag and line while the Nephew went up the ladder in my gear with a setpole and got to work. He had a couple of misses and tangles he finally got his climbing line secured in the tree and began footlocking with a Pantin I suggested he use (mine).

He really struggled (it was 95 degrees out) and when he finally made the first limb (25') he threw up. And whined about being sick. I sent him up some water and told him to take a break. The Nephew was just rappelling down (with my LockJack) about that time. The ladder in the second tree was already waiting for him.

The new climber used his shotbag to advance up the tree, the Nephew used my setpole. There wasn't much to trim in the climbers tree, and I wasn't getting paid for any of it but it took him longer to do than the Nephew.

I knocked out the remaining four trees with them tying the branches to a little tractor we had for the job which dragged everything away.

At the end of the day I told him that I'd hire him as a ground guy and he could learn to climb with the Nephew. He declined, too proud I guess.

 

[treevet]

Shirley you can't be serious.

This is real basic stuff.


Do you Wraptor up and taut line in?

you couldn't carry my jock around treeho

 

[mr. holden wood]

I work in trees over a hundred feet tall on at least a weekly basis....in my own little town alone. I have a copy of "Ohio's Biggest Trees" right in front of me and there are about 40 tree species registered over 100 feet with a few of the tallest being......

Tuliptree 165 feet
Sycamore 130 feet
White pine 155 feet
Chestnut oak 130 feet
Bur oak 120 feet
Pignut hickory 120 feet
Hemlock 140 feet
Shagbark hick 120 feet
Hackberry 120 feet
Slippery elm 120 feet
A. elm 110 feet
W ash 120 feet
A beech 110 feet

These are not nec the tallest trees of this species (trees win by a combination of trunk, canopy size and height) and I did not include anything shorter than 110 feet

nor does it mean these are the only individual trees of these trees species that are over a hundred feet by any means.

Last month alone I did 3 free climbing jobs of trees measured by my climbing line at well over 100 feet for $1500. ea. One was a 140 foot syc and one was a 140 foot tuliptree.

The town next to mine that we frequent has more over a hundred feet too that we frequent. We are the big tree go to guys in this niche area.

Any apology offered Holden?

No, Check out the copyright of that book of yours, 1920's I would imagine. I got the info off the ohio state DNR website. Information was collected from 2010.edit Just found the white pine and tulip ten feet taller then the cottonwood. These trees are one of a kind. For the most part you are climbing trees around seventy feet no wraptor required imo.

 

[treevet]

No, Check out the copyright of that book of yours, 1920's I would imagine. I got the info off the

ohio state DNR website.

Information was collected from 2010.

1999 20th edition....likely these trees are much taller now after 10 years. Didn't expect you to acknowledge the truth.

Want to verify.....

you guessed it...contact publisher's of this booklet:

Ohio DNR Division of Forestry
3060 C.R. 939
Perrysville, Ohio 44864

Somebody's wrong here....my guess?.....You

 

[treevet]

For the most part you are climbing trees around seventy feet no wraptor required imo.

You are out fine pruning dogwoods most days I bet.

 

[mr. holden wood]

This Summer I was so overwhelmed with work I brought in a climber with three years experience. I had also been working with my Nephew who at that point had three weeks of experience.

First thing I did was walk them around the property to show them the work for the day. There were six trees to trim and I directed them to put ladders up to the two easiest trees. I told the Nephew to take one tree (the easiest) and the new climber to the other (also easy).

The new climber said "I don't use a ladder to climb trees" in distain. I said "OK, pick another one". He proceeded to get out his throwbag and went over to another tree (not one that I was being paid to trim). I let him go, I was more interested in seeing if I could use him as a climber than which tree he climbed.

He messed around with his gear and his bag and line while the Nephew went up the ladder in my gear with a setpole and got to work. He had a couple of misses and tangles he finally got his climbing line secured in the tree and began footlocking with a Pantin I suggested he use (mine).

He really struggled (it was 95 degrees out) and when he finally made the first limb (25') he threw up. And whined about being sick. I sent him up some water and told him to take a break. The Nephew was just rappelling down (with my LockJack) about that time. The ladder in the second tree was already waiting for him.

The new climber used his shotbag to advance up the tree, the Nephew used my setpole. There wasn't much to trim in the climbers tree, and I wasn't getting paid for any of it but it took him longer to do than the Nephew.

I knocked out the remaining four trees with them tying the branches to a little tractor we had for the job which dragged everything away.

At the end of the day I told him that I'd hire him as a ground guy and he could learn to climb with the Nephew. He declined, too proud I guess.

Nobody I know uses ladders to work a tree, unless it's a orchard ladder for ornamental pruning. We set lines with thirty foot ars telescopic pole saw. It has a carabiner attachment. I can easily body thrust to thirty feet without hesitation. At that point most trees have a easy enough ladder to toss your carabiner to the next tip. If not the ars will get you another thirty feet.
If it all possible I will set lines with the ars. Using a big shot then srt/wraptor means you will have to switch over climbing systems. A waste of time and energy. Not everything needs to be complicated and motorized.

 

[mr. holden wood]

You are out fine pruning dogwoods most days I bet.

Funny that you think that's a insult. My best days are with a silky and a pair of felco's. Zero wear and tear on myself and the boss loves that the equipment gets a break. You do realize that I generate the same earning prhr pruning a lace leaf maple as I do removing a one hundred and seventy five foot fir. Day after day I read the complaints of hacks bringing down the price of tree work. We don't compete with hacks, any tree guy can leave a stump and a pile of firewood. Only arborists can leave a healthy, well structured tree in his absence.

 

[mr. holden wood]

ps what does it mean you use "webbing for foot loops"?

how can you use hand ascenders without footlocking or pantin/similar devices?

How much experience do you have with srt?. I'm not going give you a hard time if its slim to none, it just explains why you are so enamored with the wraptor.

 

[ropensaddle]

Wood holder I truly hope you don't act like you type, arrogance is not a great virtue. I know many five year climbers believe they are the only ones that been there. I have seen it over and over the longer one achieves the impossible the humbler they become. I think your prolly good but your mistaking if you think your the only one that is, or has been. I for one think a little respect for an aging climber using mechanical assent is in order. I would have one now if I could afford one and I will have one for sure. It is plain and simple a great tool to reduce stress on an aging body you can tell us all how you intend to do things past fifty but if your not there it is blind hope.

 

[jefflovstrom]

If you do euc's, you do webbing.

 

[treevet]

Nobody I know uses ladders to work a tree, unless it's a orchard ladder for ornamental pruning. We set lines with thirty foot ars telescopic pole saw. It has a carabiner attachment. I can easily body thrust to thirty feet without hesitation. At that point most trees have a easy enough ladder to toss your carabiner to the next tip. If not the ars will get you another thirty feet.
If it all possible I will set lines with the ars. Using a big shot then srt/wraptor means you will have to switch over climbing systems. A waste of time and energy. Not everything needs to be complicated and motorized.

like I said earlier Holden, I used to drt with pantins and ascentree (still do sometimes for fun) then convert to distal on a hitch climber. Prior to that, going back to the 60's we used to just straight foot lock for years without any safety at all. I used to just hand lock without any feet assist back in the day and could easily climb 20 feet without anything but my hands on a double rope and my feet walking up the tree.

hard to make fun of that when you are a body thruster advancing the line and getting in the tree with a polesaw isn't it? you livin in the stone ages and will soon fall even further back with lack of foresight to see advantages of this tool this thread is about.

You cannot honestly think you and your body thrusting edge out this genius invention can you? Sad to see somebody embarass themselves like this.

 

[ropensaddle]

like I said earlier Holden, I used to drt with pantins and ascentree (still do sometimes for fun) then convert to distal on a hitch climber. Prior to that, going back to the 60's we used to just straight foot lock for years without any safety at all. I used to just hand lock without any feet assist back in the day and could easily climb 20 feet without anything but my hands on a double rope and my feet walking up the tree.

hard to make fun of that when you are a body thruster advancing the line and getting in the tree with a polesaw isn't it? you livin in the stone ages and will soon fall even further back with lack of foresight to see advantages of this tool this thread is about.

You cannot honestly think you and your body thrusting edge out this genius invention can you? Sad to see somebody embarass themselves like this.

Hey vet I have hand over hand too sorta sketchy though. I put it back in the bowline on the bight days it is great to have the comfort we entertain now huh? I wouldn't mind climbing with you someday friend!

 

[treevet]

Hey vet I have hand over hand too sorta sketchy though. I put it back in the bowline on the bight days it is great to have the comfort we entertain now huh? I wouldn't mind climbing with you someday friend!

It would be an honor Rope.

Hand walking was much easier on the manilla (esp a broke in one) as the nylon was/is much more slippery.

 

[ropensaddle]

It would be an honor Rope.

Hand walking was much easier on the manilla (esp a broke in one) as the nylon was/is much more slippery.

I got to use steel core manilla a few times but they were being eradicated when I started this game. I bought regular grass rope at the hardware store and climbed on it before getting a real climb rope and some training. I shiver when I think of some of my earlier thought processes but was on a mission to earn a living.