Close call today

[tree MDS]

Well here is my knot, what is wrong with it? Also here is a pic of the aftermath, it was a tight dropzone and all went as it should have. I used a 10' X 14" DIA to absorb the trunk so there would be no damage, to my suprise it nearly disappeared!View attachment 201918View attachment 201919

Are you left handed by any chance? looks a bit different than mine, but still seems to have the basic bowline requirements.

I'm thinking maybe your problem is in the dressing of it after all, because otherwise it looks like it should work fine to me.

 

[tree MDS]

Here's mine, just in case it helps. :angel:

 

[swyman]

Are you left handed by any chance? looks a bit different than mine, but still seems to have the basic bowline requirements.

I'm thinking maybe your problem is in the dressing of it after all, because otherwise it looks like it should work fine to me.

I am left handed! My cousin worked for in the spring and he's a union lineman and they fought him how to do it in about 2 seconds but I'll be Damned if he could teach it to me. No kidding we spent about 20 minutes one day and between us being opposite handed, just could not get it.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I am left handed! My cousin worked for in the spring and he's a union lineman and they fought him how to do it in about 2 seconds but I'll be Damned if he could teach it to me. No kidding we spent about 20 minutes one day and between us being opposite handed, just could not get it.

Knots are tied by the right hand, if you are left hand, you need to know this.
Jeff

 

[swyman]

Here's mine, just in case it helps. :angel:

They look the same only opposite. I pull on the tail and piece next it with one hand and the working end just above it with the other to set it.

 

[tree MDS]

Knots are tied by the right hand, if you are left hand, you need to know this.
Jeff

You left handed jeffers?

Being right handed, I was always taught to go around the tree from right to left when tying knots. I wonder if it would be easier for a lefty to go around left to right?

 

[jefflovstrom]

You left handed jeffers?

Being right handed, I was always taught to go around the tree from right to left when tying knots. I wonder if it would be easier for a lefty to go around left to right?

Yeah, right handed, and you were taught right. It may be easier for a lefty to go that way, but the knot is not the same.
Hey, you having fun down there?
Jeff :msp_thumbup:

 

[lone wolf]

What did you use a plastic boat rope???:msp_ohmy:

 

[swyman]

What did you use a plastic boat rope???:msp_ohmy:

Can't remember brand, but it's 3/4" 18k double braided bull

 

[lone wolf]

Can't remember brand, but it's 3/4" 18k double braided bull

I never had a bowline come apart the rope will break first!Did you set it tight did you tie it right?

 

[swyman]

I never had a bowline come apart the rope will break first!Did you set it tight did you tie it right?

Go up a couple posts, I added a pick, its the one with the red rope (have to open it)

 

[lone wolf]

Well here is my knot, what is wrong with it? Also here is a pic of the aftermath, it was a tight dropzone and all went as it should have. I used a 10' X 14" DIA to absorb the trunk so there would be no damage, to my suprise it nearly disappeared!View attachment 201918View attachment 201919

Looks a little off hard to say are you left handed?
Here http://www.netknots.com/html/running_bowline.html you tell me if it is the same

 

[Blakesmaster]

Yeah, right handed, and you were taught right. It may be easier for a lefty to go that way, but the knot is not the same.
Hey, you having fun down there?
Jeff :msp_thumbup:

I switch my bowline up depending which way I go around the branch with the rope. Figured that was par for the course.

 

[tree MDS]

I switch my bowline up depending which way I go around the branch with the rope. Figured that was par for the course.

Nope. you're just new/gay school. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[tree MDS]

Yeah, right handed, and you were taught right. It may be easier for a lefty to go that way, but the knot is not the same.
Hey, you having fun down there?
Jeff :msp_thumbup:

I think I sold some ice water.

 

[FanOFatherNash]

I think you missed the point. it's all good though.

my apology , just get frustrated with the elitist , no one but me she should do tree work attitude that seems to be
when people have legitimate questions, i apologize for my rude comment. ( you have valid point )

 

[treemandan]

I am a rookie I admit (1st year in bus) but believe this is a business that you don't want to be lucky in. I hope I am not lucky again!

Then you will be dead by next year cause we make our luck and we sure as Hell need all we make.

 

[BC WetCoast]

I tie my bowline one handed (right hand) and it looks like Swyman's. MDS' looks backwards to me.

I was taught as a teen how to tie a bowline one handed and now it takes me about 10x as long to do it normally, because I have to think about it rather than by muscle memory.

 

[ozzy42]

I tie my bowline one handed (right hand) and it looks like Swyman's. MDS' looks backwards to me.

I was taught as a teen how to tie a bowline one handed and now it takes me about 10x as long to do it normally, because I have to think about it rather than by muscle memory.

I don't tie mine one handed ,but close to it. I do not form the loop the way it is shown to do in most pics.

I start by throwing the rope around the pc,usually right to left,grab and pull back to me with the left hand,grab the end with the right hand again pulling extra line tru the left hand,then with the line coming out thru the top of the right hand I go under the main part of the line then back to the point where it will be tied,make an X over the line forward of the left hand,grab the bottom where I just Xed over with my thumb,and with one motion twist both lines with the right hand.This leaves me with the hole and the rabbit's first trip thru.Then wip the tail under and around,then push it back thru the hole with the left hand.

Sound complicated eh?
Probably why I have a hard time teaching it to others,but like you said,it is in my muscle memory.
Once I have it around the branch and have the line back in my right hand it literally takes me one second with my eyes closed.

Note: The only problem with a bowline is it must STAY SET until loaded.
It's greatest asset is also it's greatest liabilty.IE ''It un-ties very easily once unloaded"
Sometimes the it can wobble loose before being loaded,usually when the limb is a good distance
from you and requires pulling a lot of line to choke it,more so with larger stiffer line.
In those cases ,I like to have a longer tail,and take a little more time dressing and setting.

Just my .02 worth.

 

[swyman]

I don't tie mine one handed ,but close to it. I do not form the loop the way it is shown to do in most pics.

I start by throwing the rope around the pc,usually right to left,grab and pull back to me with the left hand,grab the end with the right hand again pulling extra line tru the left hand,then with the line coming out thru the top of the right hand I go under the main part of the line then back to the point where it will be tied,make an X over the line forward of the left hand,grab the bottom where I just Xed over with my thumb,and with one motion twist both lines with the right hand.This leaves me with the hole and the rabbit's first trip thru.Then wip the tail under and around,then push it back thru the hole with the left hand.

Sound complicated eh?
Probably why I have a hard time teaching it to others,but like you said,it is in my muscle memory.
Once I have it around the branch and have the line back in my right hand it literally takes me one second with my eyes closed.

Note: The only problem with a bowline is it must STAY SET until loaded.
It's greatest asset is also it's greatest liabilty.IE ''It un-ties very easily once unloaded"
Sometimes the it can wobble loose before being loaded,usually when the limb is a good distance
from you and requires pulling a lot of line to choke it,more so with larger stiffer line.
In those cases ,I like to have a longer tail,and take a little more time dressing and setting.

Just my .02 worth.

Maybe that's my problem, I have been using 3/4" rope? Do 98% of my rigging with it and 2% with a short 1/2" that I tie off to the boom when I need to. Might be better off down sizing to 1/2". Was just using the 3/4 cause I figured I would never break it. Which brings another question, I do all my rigging using the tree. Meaning crotches with no savers or pulleys. Am thinking about buying a pulley to save on the rope. Oh, and I do my braking the big pieces by wrapping around the trunk. Are those little steel... Can't think of the name.. brakes that you tie to the base worth the money?