Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[Fastcast]

The fan boys can cry all they want about, who's going to see it, who's going to take it apart to look inside....bla, bla, bla!

The outside of that jug also looks like utter crap....Not even remotely close in quality to the (outside) of the jugs on my Dolmars....Let alone the inside.

Sugar coat it all ya want fellows....It's a hunk of crap and ya know it....Now lets just man-up and admit it.

Kudos to the gentleman, who are Stihl guys but can admit it, they wouldn't want it on their saw.....It shows integrity.

If your pricing structure is white collar, your parts quality sure as hell shouldn't be blue collar.....Fit and finish is considered a quality standard in manufacturing, that most companies are judged by....Why all of a sudden is it not relevant for Stihl?

 

[Fastcast]

Stihl is the best

Well, if that jug is the "best" someone has drank way too much kool-aid.

 

[FATGUY]

I don't follow the current, that is your MO.

Tell me Brad, what is more important, the cylindricity of a bore, or the smoothness of a port?

Why not trash the 361BB with the same zeal that you have the 260 jug?

Stihl is the best, don't fool yourself into thinking QA issues do not exist with the others.

what's with the personal attack? Brad and the work he's done have promoted Stihl on this board more than just about anyone.

 

[blsnelling]

Tell me Brad, what is more important, the cylindricity of a bore, or the smoothness of a port?

I guess I failed to mention the fact that the piston sometimes sticks in the bore when you drop it in the cylinder. Did you not notice all the wear marks in the cylinder, especially for so little run time?

Why not trash the 361BB with the same zeal that you have the 260 jug?

I already answered that.

Stihl is the best, don't fool yourself into thinking QA issues do not exist with the others.

You better check out your competitors.

 

[spacemule]

This just goes to show that Stihl could take a dried up goat turd, slap some orange and yellow paint on it, set it on fire and burn a tree in two with it, call it a bio chainsaw, and there are people who would buy into it.

 

[Tzed250]

what's with the personal attack? Brad and the work he's done have promoted Stihl on this board more than just about anyone.

No personal attack.

My posts are my opinion of the situation.

 

[Erick]

A Wildthing is "functional" a Homelite Ranger is "functional" are they good quality???



Why is that?????

 

[PatrickIreland]

Tzed, you are being a typical "Why does it matter if it works OK now?" person.
It might work fine now, hell it might have 300psi compression and eat children through the intake - but that cylinder is WRONG. It's cheaply made. It's badly made. It's junk, as far as I am concerned - not "broken" junk, but just junk.

How much more would it take for Stihl to cast a decent cylinder? Not a lot.
I used to design water pumps many years ago, and if a casting like that came to me I would have stopped work, gone down to the floor, and find out why they were ending up like trash pumps - designed to pump stones, and every other kind of trash out of underground water tanks. They needed twice the horsepower of any other pumps.
I don't let stuff like that slip by, because I am proud of what I design. And Stihl are, or they should be.
If Stihl are letting stuff like that cylinder pass QC - well, they will go down the crapper.

 

[blsnelling]

This just goes to show that Stihl could take a dried up goat turd, slap some orange and yellow paint on it, set it on fire and burn a tree in two with it, call it a bio chainsaw, and there are people who would buy into it.

Exactly! I've been preaching that with the little saws for months now.

 

[blsnelling]

No personal attack.

My posts are my opinion of the situation.

I'll back off a little myself. I don't want this to turn into a big fight and make enemies over it. Let's keep this conversation lively, but don't take me personal, please.

 

[Tzed250]

Familiar with the term projecting, as it pertains to psychology?


I guess I failed to mention the fact that the piston sometimes sticks in the bore when you drop it in the cylinder. Did you not notice all the wear marks in the cylinder, especially for so little run time?

I already answered that.

Boy you are drinking the coolaide. I guess if this this what you consider the best, then you haven't seen much. You better check out your competitors.

Not projecting...LOL

Please tell us the clearance between the piston and cyclinder.

I cut metal every day Brad, not as a hobby, as a living.

I have certifications in the field.

Work in a production facility for any length of time and you will see different.

 

[THALL10326]

You can't see if your cook spits in your hamburger either, and they're not going to let you in the kitchen. Does that make hamburger spit ok?

It does not so one begs the question, do you take apart your hamburger and inspect it for spit, or do you just eat the dayumm thing. Do you go to the slaughter house to find out what pig became your pork chop checking to see if it had swine flu,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[blsnelling]

Not projecting...LOL

Please tell us the clearance between the piston and cyclinder.

I cut metal every day Brad, not as a hobby, as a living.

I have certifications in the field.

Work in a production facility for any length of time and you will see different.

I would do that if I still had it here. I'm curious myself now because I'm suspecting it's quite tight.

I took the P&C and a copy of the purchase receipt and warranty card down to my dealer. He agreed that it was crappy and will be showing it to the rep. Unfortunately, he said it would likely be 2-4 weeks before they would see him again.

I'll try to remember to take a caliper with me when I'm down there tomorrow.

 

[spacemule]

It does not so one begs the question, do you take apart your hamburger and inspect it for spit, or do you just eat the dayumm thing. Do you go to the slaughter house to find out what pig became your pork chop checking to see if it had swine flu,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

No, because I have faith in my food suppliers. If, however, I had a report of my food supplier spitting in hamburgers, you can bet your arse they wouldn't be my food supplier any more. Can you tell me why?

 

[Northwind]

I'm just posting this so I can remember what page I left off on.

 

[Tzed250]

I'll back off a little myself. I don't want this to turn into a big fight and make enemies over it. Let's keep this conversation lively, but don't take me personal, please.

This is not personal.

I admire your ability in restoration, and read your threads about restoration with great interest and admiration.

I am calling it like I see it.

 

[bookerdog]

i'm just posting this so i can remember what page i left off on.

lol

 

[Zodiac45]

Wow Erick. Wish I could put it like that. You hit the nail on the head...several times.

We've settle the question and this is not a one time defect but can be expected when buying a new Pro Stihl saw. This is not isolated to the "outdated" 260, but includes the almighty 660 and 460 as well. This is not the quality with which Stihl earned their reputation, neither with the world or myself. They have taught us to expect high quality and demand the price for it. They have dropped their end of the deal.

So you want to know if it hurts performance. I don't care! That does not matter at this point! The end does not justify the means. So do you practice situational ethics as well? What are the defects? I named them all in the first post. Go re-read it. Just because it runs doesn't make it ok. The quality of this cylinder SUCKS!! Period. You cannot deny that. Don't just tell me it still runs.

Let's put this another way. Suppose I bring you in a MS260 with a bad P&C. You order a new OEM P&C for me and this is the one you get. Are you going to put it on my saw? Or are you going to do what I did and raise the flag? Or are you going to enable manufactures to continue the downhill trend to put crap quality like this in their product? My philosophy is, "Do it right, or don't do it at all".

Yep exactly right Brad. As I read this thread, there was no bashing intended except what's due regarding the "corporate decisions" being made by said company. You're only pointing put what the pix obviously show. Some people are diehards, blinded by some sense of misdirected loyalty to a brand. It's kind of silly. No matter the brand, that cyl is a piece of crap period. I don't care what it runs like, that's garbage (the casting line is laughable) and just not something one would expect on a "Pro" saw in that price range.

 

[Tzed250]

I would do that if I still had it here. I'm curious myself now because I'm suspecting it's quite tight.

I took the P&C and a copy of the purchase receipt and warranty card down to my dealer. He agreed that it was crappy and will be showing it to the rep. Unfortunately, he said it would likely be 2-4 weeks before they would see him again.

I'll try to remember to take a caliper with me when I'm down there tomorrow.

Your effort would be appreciated.

To measure the clearance however, you will need a dial bore guage to measure the bore, and a micrometer to measure the piston.

A caliper does not have the required accuracy to measure those points.

If the clearance is not within spec, then the cylinder is truly defective,
aka "crappy"...

 

[Taxmantoo]

Known defects are not allowed to exist in the auto industry. If they are at all significant, they become recalls.

I think of three things when you say that, BCB.

1. GM/Saturn put antifreeze in a few cars that were supposed to have DexCool in them. The 'cure' was sending the cars to the crusher, when anybody with half a brain would drain the coolant, flush with water, and refill with DeathCool.

2. Also in the 1990s, Ford made a bunch of FWD V6s with a defective head casting that warped like mad. They resisted doing anything except for fixing those with unexpired warranties until it looked like the feds were going to step in with a government recall. This would be about six years after the last car with that engine rolled off the line. Ford did a voluntary policy adjustment and the recall didn't happen. If your heads warped and you lost all your coolant during the brief period of the policy adjustment, and if your 6-12 year old car had less than 100,000 miles on it, Ford would fix it. Mine went during the proper timeframe, but after 139,000 gentle highway miles. I fixed it myself.

3. 2001-2003 cars with GM's 2.2L "Ecotec" engine did not deliver adequate oil to the timing chain at low rpms. The people that were affected were mainly those who sat idling in traffic a lot, or those who drove gently and normally got very long lifespans from their engines. In 2003 GM laid it all out in a TSB explaining why the timing chain kits came with a replacement oil metering orifice and mandating that it be installed along with the new chain, guides, valves, and whatever else got busted, all at customer expense if the engine was no longer under warranty. No preventative work to be done on cars which hadn't yet swallowed their valvetrain. 2004 model year cars were built using the new oil nozzle.
The dealers told the customers 'if you'd changed your oil when you were supposed to, your timing chain wouldn't have broken at 50,000 miles, now it's going to cost you $3k for abusing your car", and then quietly installed the redesigned part.

Well actually for autos it usually has to affect safety. If you choose to buy a POS car (or whatever) they that's on you after the warranty is up.

Yes, government recalls are for perceived safety defects. Reliability defects depend on the integrity of the business you're dealing with.