Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[Fastcast]

Dang you heathens

That's some funny stuff right there Belgian! :hmm3grin2orange:

BTW.....Good post, all around!

 

[Wild Knight]

OK, 44 pages later I will confess I haven't read every post. So if this is already discussed I apologize.

First off: yes, I am a Stihlhead, and no I am not defending them. I just have a question for which I don't know the answer.

While casting marks are ugly, do they really represent any sacrifice to the reliability of the saw? I realize that Brad and Brian are really good saw builders, and they pay great attention to very fine details. So, while they see obvious areas where things could have been done better, I have to ask if it really matters. Does it affect how Stihl engineers designed the saw to run at stock RPM's on Marathon fuel with leftover boat 2-cycle oil? Does it affect the reliability of the saw? Life of the saw? If it still starts every time and runs manufacture spec RPM's, well, then are these (flaws from Brad's pics) points in the manufacturing of the saw where they can cut costs?

I like to think of target vs military grades guns, or truck vs ferrari motors. Low grade guns has machine marks all over them, but they fire every time. Glocks will feed any ammo any time no matter how much you neglect it. Will it outshoot a custom 1991? Heck no, but those target grade 1911's a lot of times don't feed reliably. An old ford motor will start and run everytime. Will it outperform a ferrari motor? Hell no, but again, you can use any gas from any pump in any temperature at any altitude and not have to service it every 1000 miles. What separates it from a ferrari motor doesn't make it less reliable. You can fine tune anything, but looser tolerance often equates to better reliability, especially for the average guy.

Point being, if you are going for reliability, certain manufacturing corners can be cut that you would not be able to cut for a fine tuned machine. What exactly are we seeing in Brad's pics?

Thank you, I'll take my answer off the air.

 

[Woodie]

Dang you heathens, it took me more than an hour to catch up with the latest breaking news about Stihl quality....

:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

Tzed and others may be right as to the performance of the cylinder being the major issue, but judging by the obvious poor quality of that cast, there's enough suspicion in my mind to doubt the quality and longevity of that cylinder.

If you buy a top quality wrench for example, it may still have an ideal functionality, but if the casting is poor with a very bad finish, you'd have a hard time justifying the price and the quality.

I remember years ago an airline executive talking about cleaning off the seat trays. He said something to the effect that, if a passenger looks at a dirty seat tray in front of them, they wonder what the insides of the engine look like.

What we can't see from those pictures is what the quality of the casting looks like internally. Are there bubbles? Is the metal up to snuff? Are there other microscopic flaws that will cause cracking in the future?

No way to know. But perception can be reality sometimes...


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[wigglesworth]

OK, 44 pages later I will confess I haven't read every post. So if this is already discussed I apologize.

First off: yes, I am a Stihlhead, and no I am not defending them. I just have a question for which I don't know the answer.

While casting marks are ugly, do they really represent any sacrifice to the reliability of the saw? I realize that Brad and Brian are really good saw builders, and they pay great attention to very fine details. So, while they see obvious areas where things could have been done better, I have to ask if it really matters. Does it affect how Stihl engineers designed the saw to run at stock RPM's on Marathon fuel with leftover boat 2-cycle oil? Does it affect the reliability of the saw? Life of the saw? If it still starts every time and runs manufacture spec RPM's, well, then are these (flaws from Brad's pics) points in the manufacturing of the saw where they can cut costs?

I like to think of target vs military grades guns, or truck vs ferrari motors. Low grade guns has machine marks all over them, but they fire every time. Glocks will feed any ammo any time no matter how much you neglect it. Will it outshoot a custom 1991? Heck no, but those target grade 1911's a lot of times don't feed reliably. An old ford motor will start and run everytime. Will it outperform a ferrari motor? Hell no, but again, you can use any gas from any pump in any temperature at any altitude and not have to service it every 1000 miles. What separates it from a ferrari motor doesn't make it less reliable. You can fine tune anything, but looser tolerance often equates to better reliability, especially for the average guy.

Point being, if you are going for reliability, certain manufacturing corners can be cut that you would not be able to cut for a fine tuned machine. What exactly are we seeing in Brad's pics?
Thank you, I'll take my answer off the air.

Good post and a valid point!!! It would be a kentuckian that made some sense!!

 

[THALL10326]

Dayummmmmm this baby is still going, hot dayumm

Sorry fellers, I had to sell a few Stihls while I was away. Please forgive me, now let me go see what all I missed. Put your bullet proof vest on Woodie, here's I come........

 

[belgian]

Point being, if you are going for reliability, certain manufacturing corners can be cut that you would not be able to cut for a fine tuned machine. What exactly are we seeing in Brad's pics?

If I buy a piece of equipment with cut corners, I'd expect the price also being cut a few corners....

 

[Grande Dog]

I wonder if 2009 will be another record sales mark for Stihl?[/QUOTE]

Howdy,
If they do, the Brazilians won't be complaining.
Regards
Gregg

 

[Woodie]

Put your bullet proof vest on Woodie, here's I come........

You just put your tray up and make sure your seat is in an upright and locked position, fool...


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[2000ssm6]

Howdy,
If they do, the Brazilians won't be complaining.
Regards
Gregg

Nope, they sure won't. We see bad casts, do we see hung/broken rings and circlips flying out trashing the p&c? It's looking like the brazilians can make a better product than china.

 

[THALL10326]

Here I thought we were talking about Stihl's ethics and workmanship but I'll proceed now to answer your question, to my question.

I think Brad is an enthusiast, who calls them like he sees them. I believe he likes saws, period, not just one brand of saw. Brad has a stable of Stihls that he also brags about regularly so to insinuate he's just a Stihl basher does say a lot about your bias opinions.

Brad has no allegiance to one brand or the other, like you do, for obvious reason. I personally commend him for speaking out when sees crap he doesn't like. Unlike you who wants to sweep it under the rug and change topics and answer questions with more questions.

Wether he made a mistake on that tear down is irrelevant to me. A sure way to learn, is screw up so you know what you've done wrong. He's learning, we are all learning everyday. It still doesn't speak well of the steel being used or the cheesie rod.

There you have it and remember you asked my opinion.

Well Fast you can pick and choose all you like, tant gotta problem with that all. He posted his work for everyone to see and blamed the mishap on Stihl quality when thats total BS. I agree we all are learning everyday. I learned long ago when you start threads like this one you open yourself up to anything, and man did those last photos really show quite alot, it showed he blamed someone else for his own mistake. I could easily take those photos and say man you guys better not send that dude any saws to work on, if he screws it up he'll blame it on something else, heres the proof. However I got no axe to grind with Brad, I'm not out to take him down. What his beef is with Stihl I don't know and don't care. I do find it odd when someone goes to the extremes of posting their own screw ups in full color and then blames it on the quality of the product he ruined at his own hands. Now what would you call that Fast, give me the name for it, you know what it is, let me hear ya say it..

 

[Woodie]

All right...I gotta happy hour to get to. You guys keep it outta the ditch.

And remember, Tom and 2K...so long as you guys keep it up, there will be people in here to lay the smack down. And people posting things like 'I think Stihl's quality is going down.'

So if someone were to...say...type the phrase 'Stihl's quality is going down' into a search engine, well they would get this thread, now, wouldn't they?

I'm just sayin' is all...



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[edisto]

An old ford motor will start and run everytime. Will it outperform a ferrari motor? Hell no, but again, you can use any gas from any pump in any temperature at any altitude and not have to service it every 1000 miles. What separates it from a ferrari motor doesn't make it less reliable. You can fine tune anything, but looser tolerance often equates to better reliability, especially for the average guy.

This is beyond loose tolerance...it is shoddy work, and not by comparison to more expensive saws (because you'd be hard pressed to find more expensive saws) but by comparison to the same company.

I think most of the arguments are about paying the Ferrari price for a Chevy engine (assembled late on a Friday afternoon by a visiting Kindergarten class).

 

[THALL10326]

Tommie,

Well, throw another dog on the woodie. I mean another log on the woodpile. There's a spark down there and they'll fan the flames with their keyboards and their lips and we'll see a few more attempts to discredit Stihl and The Champ.

Pop open a cool Pepsi, sit back and enjoy. You earned it.

joat

LOLOL, just between you and me thats mostly what the pack is doing, they could care less about that cylinder, lets get that guy. I like it, why, cause I know it takes a pack to do it and they still can't get it done, bunch of pansies,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[THALL10326]

All right...I gotta happy hour to get to. You guys keep it outta the ditch.

And remember, Tom and 2K...so long as you guys keep it up, there will be people in here to lay the smack down. And people posting things like 'I think Stihl's quality is going down.'

So if someone were to...say...type the phrase 'Stihl's quality is going down' into a search engine, well they would get this thread, now, wouldn't they?

I'm just sayin' is all...



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Woodie did you ever find me that information you was spouting off, untill you do and I know you can't you've already been put under the table, have a great evening Woodie,LOLOL

 

[bookerdog]

LOLOL, just between you and me thats mostly what the pack is doing, they could care less about that cylinder, lets get that guy. I like it, why, cause I know it takes a pack to do it and they still can't get it done, bunch of pansies,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Hearing from the old steal camp leader that is funny. Tell mr drippy all about it would ya. LMAO

 

[bookerdog]

Tommie,

Well, throw another dog on the woodie. I mean another log on the woodpile. There's a spark down there and they'll fan the flames with their keyboards and their lips and we'll see a few more attempts to discredit Stihl and The Champ.

Pop open a cool Pepsi, sit back and enjoy. You earned it.

joat

Joat are you from america because, half the time I can't understand a dang thing you write.

 

[2000ssm6]

Woodie did you ever find me that information you was spouting off, untill you do and I know you can't you've already been put under the table, have a great evening Woodie,LOLOL

"Woodie" and "information" don't mix, he just can't produce, LOL.

 

[THALL10326]

I believe the reason ya'll boys are so tore up is that all these cylinders were made in 2008, according to booker. 2008 was Stihl's best year for sales while husky dropped. Now you tell me if this were a big problem, would it show in sales?

Good one. Tends to prove all the naysayers wrong, dayumm good math there, 2008 was a great year,haha

 

[2000ssm6]

Good one. Tends to prove all the naysayers wrong, dayumm good math there, 2008 was a great year,haha

Yup, sure looks as if sales would be down. Maybe all of Stihls customers aren't pulling the jugs to find out? Or maybe their products are running so good, it isn't needed? Or maybe they don't care? Or maybe their other brand from the box store, that was not demostrated, quit and the box store could not help 'em?

 

[bookerdog]

Yup, sure looks as if sales would be down. Maybe all of Stihls customers aren't pulling the jugs to find out? Or maybe their products are running so good, it isn't needed? Or maybe they don't care? Or maybe their other brand from the box store, that was not demostrated, quit and the box store could not help 'em?

Or maybe its just starting and it will come back to bite them in the A$$