Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[bookerdog]

Well, your thread starter hero has demonstrated a bias against a certain race and now it seems you do as well.

Perhaps this Stihl bashing has a meaning I hadn't considered.

No Im serious

 

[THALL10326]

That rod was bent by trying to remove a flywheel nut with a scrench and rope in the cylinder for a stop! Not a 2' breaker bar. I now have a method of disassembly for these saws that should cause them so much trouble.

EpicKlein is right. Since the rod is too weak to hold the torque required to break the flywheel nut loose, I now use an impact wrench. Yup, you heard me right. Same thing with the clutch. But make sure you remove the flywheel first or you'll shear the cast aluminum key off of the flywheel.

How can Stihl get away with a weak rod like that? If you bring in one of these saws significantly damaged, all they're going to do is sell you a new one. Tell my why the competitors still put much stronger case, beam-style rods in their little saws?

Do I have a beaf with Stihl? I have a beef with anything I find of poorer quality thatn the competition.

The quality of my worksmanship? If I breaka you saw, I fixa you saw. I think I just proved that by refusing to work with that crap Stihl cylinder for one of my customers.

Well Brad can you explain why the one I removed isn't bent and there is no hole in the piston. Did my assembly have better quality than yours or did I know what I was doing and you didn't. Lets cut to the chase here and stop with your non-sense about that assembly. If you didn't know how to take it apart correctly ya shoulda found out how before ruining it. To be honest it almost looks like it was done on purpose but I won't assume for I don't know.

If I recall you said you call it like you see it, a spade is a spade to you. Sounds fair to me and allows me as well to do the same. You screwed up and ruined that assembly, simple as that. I've taken many apart and never had a issue one. How you ruined it is beyond me but spare me the blame game please, the BS has to stop somewhere Brad, nothing personal of course but get real...

 

[bookerdog]

I enjoy Toms posts It's all good. This is entertainment, right!

O gosh yes. The sthil boys get there panties twisted sometimes but, its all in fun.

 

[2000ssm6]

Well, your thread starter hero has demonstrated a bias against a certain race and now it seems you do as well.

Perhaps this Stihl bashing has a meaning I hadn't considered.

Joat, you figured it out, congrats!

 

[THALL10326]

Were not talken bout employees old timer. Your skipping rope like alittle girl around the issue. Keep here up you will learn your ABC that way.

I know Booker but you said it would come back to bite them, Husky got bit last year was all I was saying,hehe

 

[blsnelling]

Hey Joatmon, this is a 44.7mm P&C.

 

[bookerdog]

I know Booker but you said it would come back to bite them, Husky got bit last year was all I was saying,hehe

Good golly tammy fay were back to last year. ABCDEFGHIJ.............LMAO

 

[spacemule]

Well Brad can you explain why the one I removed isn't bent and there is no hole in the piston. Did my assembly have better quality than yours or did I know what I was doing and you didn't. Lets cut to the chase here and stop with your non-sense about that assembly. If you didn't know how to take it apart correctly ya shoulda found out how before ruining it. To be honest it almost looks like it was done on purpose but I won't assume for I don't know.

If I recall you said you call it like you see it, a spade is a spade to you. Sounds fair to me and allows me as well to do the same. You screwed up and ruined that assembly, simple as that. I've taken many apart and never had a issue one. How you ruined it is beyond me but spare me the blame game please, the BS has to stop somewhere Brad, nothing personal of course but get real...

Are you going to say Brad took a hammer to that 026 cylinder and made up the casting flaws as well?

I've ran a lot of Huskies, and I've never had one leak oil. Why's that? Is my technique better than yours? Did you take a drill to drippy and make the story up? Why don't you man up and admit you screwed that saw up. I don't know how you did it but you did it. I'm just calling it like I see it.

 

[edisto]

If I recall you said you call it like you see it, a spade is a spade to you. Sounds fair to me and allows me as well to do the same.

So call it. Tell me straight up that the cylinder is an acceptable level of quality for a Stihl product, and that Brad has no right to complain about it.

No BS about Stihl not caring about the small proportion of their customers that actually look inside their saws, no bragging about how skilled you are at removing gumwrapper rods from saws, just answer the question:

Is this level of quality acceptable in your view?

 

[blsnelling]

Well Brad can you explain why the one I removed isn't bent and there is no hole in the piston. Did my assembly have better quality than yours or did I know what I was doing and you didn't. Lets cut to the chase here and stop with your non-sense about that assembly. If you didn't know how to take it apart correctly ya shoulda found out how before ruining it. To be honest it almost looks like it was done on purpose but I won't assume for I don't know.

If I recall you said you call it like you see it, a spade is a spade to you. Sounds fair to me and allows me as well to do the same. You screwed up and ruined that assembly, simple as that. I've taken many apart and never had a issue one. How you ruined it is beyond me but spare me the blame game please, the BS has to stop somewhere Brad, nothing personal of course but get real...

1. Insert rope into cylinder as a piston stop.
2. Use a Stihl scrench on the flywheel nut to remove it. (Yes, I turned it CC only.)
3. The rod couldn't stand the torque of a scrawny little scrench and bent like a pretzel.

The only place I deviated from the manual is my choice of a piston stop. You can choose to ignore the truth or take it for what it is. Why in the world would I purposely destroy an undamaged crank/rod?

 

[blsnelling]

There's a huge difference in the quality problems with Baileys BB kits and Stihls cylinders. Baileys started with an inferior product and is doing everything in their power to make it better. Contrast to that the quality that the Stihl brand is built on and now the demise of that quality. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

I don't care what the brand, color, whatever, I'll go where ever the quality is. That's why I run Stihl, Husky, and Redmax. I've always preferred Stihl, but they couldn't fit the bill in all cases.

 

[THALL10326]

Are you going to say Brad took a hammer to that 026 cylinder and made up the casting flaws as well?

I've ran a lot of Huskies, and I've never had one leak oil. Why's that? Is my technique better than yours? Did you take a drill to drippy and make the story up? Why don't you man up and admit you screwed that saw up. I don't know how you did it but you did it. I'm just calling it like I see it.

Well hello Johnny come lately, where ya been Space, I figure you to be here much sooner. Come on in and get your slice of the pie,LOLOL

No Brad did nothing to that cylinder cept buy it in the first place. He says its no good yet he sells it for 85.00, its a matter of ethics nearest I can gather, how dare Stihl sell such a cylinder and yet there's Brad, the man that says it is no good selling that cylinder,:monkey::monkey::monkey::monkey:

 

[bookerdog]

TAMMY 2k this should help you boys out.

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SKIPPING OVER ISSUE IS HARD WORK. JUST SING IT TO YOURSELF WHILE TYPING.

 

[spacemule]

Well hello Johnny come lately, where ya been Space, I figure you to be here much sooner. Come on in and get your slice of the pie,LOLOL

No Brad did nothing to that cylinder cept buy it in the first place. He says its no good yet he sells it for 85.00, its a matter of ethics nearest I can gather, how dare Stihl sell such a cylinder and yet there's Brad, the man that says it is no good selling that cylinder,:monkey::monkey::monkey::monkey:

That's bs Tom. Nothing wrong with selling something with faults so long as you insure the buyer knows of the faults. Ethics require candor, but it doesn't require deciding whether someone else can use what you've got. Furthermore, you're using another red herring. I ain't gonna let you get off topic on this one like I usually do.

So far, you've stated that the quality of the cylinder is not up to your standards, yet you applaud Stihl for using it. Right or wrong?
You say that Stihl should be congratulated for not cutting jobs, yet you've recently bragged that Stihl is expanding. Which is it?
You say that quality doesn't matter so long as a customer doesn't see it. Right or wrong?

 

[THALL10326]

1. Insert rope into cylinder as a piston stop.
2. Use a Stihl scrench on the flywheel nut to remove it. (Yes, I turned it CC only.)
3. The rod couldn't stand the torque of a scrawny little scrench and bent like a pretzel.

The only place I deviated from the manual is my choice of a piston stop. You can choose to ignore the truth or take it for what it is. Why in the world would I purposely destroy an undamaged crank/rod?

Does Stihl say use rope, they do not, sorry Brad but thats a fact. The rope is the preferred method, the piston stop is the Stihl method, look at the results and I guess you can see why. Stick to the manual next time and you won't have bent rods and busted pistons, hell look at mine, thats using a piston stop, not rope, and gently doing it the right way..

It was wrong of me to wonder why or how you did it, my bad, but put the blame where it belongs.

 

[THALL10326]

TAMMY 2k this should help you boys out.

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Eww whats up with the name calling little Burger, I mean Booker,LOL

 

[THALL10326]

That's bs Tom. Nothing wrong with selling something with faults so long as you insure the buyer knows of the faults. Ethics require candor, but it doesn't require deciding whether someone else can use what you've got. Furthermore, you're using another red herring. I ain't gonna let you get off topic on this one like I usually do.

So far, you've stated that the quality of the cylinder is not up to your standards, yet you applaud Stihl for using it. Right or wrong?
You say that Stihl should be congratulated for not cutting jobs, yet you've recently bragged that Stihl is expanding. Which is it?
You say that quality doesn't matter so long as a customer doesn't see it. Right or wrong?

Space I would not sell something to someone I just told was no good, sorry but thats me. I've given away more saws than that cylinder would ever bring if it were made out of sterling sliver. You can defend that type of charactor all you want, I find it odd the man that is having such a tissy and proclaiming its no good turns right around and sells it, the exact samething he is downing the maker about. I don't see the maker downing him, do you??

Stihl has not laid off anyone Space, due to the high quality of their products they haven't had to. They do what they have to do to meet world demand. Others lay off because the demand for their product isn't there, put that in ya ole pipe and puff it.

Gotta go, leave me a reply, you know me, I likes you,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Fastcast]

Good one. Tends to prove all the naysayers wrong, dayumm good math there, 2008 was a great year,haha

Just goes to prove my point.....Your customers aren't too bright and will buy shoddy workmanship based on a name/reputation that appears to be heading down a path no one wants to see.

You fellows can act like a bunch of clowns and keep cracking jokes all you want but there's only about a handful of ya on here (maybe 5) that keeps defending Stihl.

Looks like the vast majority of AS members are much brighter than your typical Stihl customer.

:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

 

[Taxmantoo]

Does Stihl say use rope, they do not, sorry Brad but thats a fact. The rope is the preferred method, the piston stop is the Stihl method, look at the results and I guess you can see why. Stick to the manual next time and you won't have bent rods and busted pistons, hell look at mine, thats using a piston stop, not rope, and gently doing it the right way..

Seems like he holed a piston with the stop, then did the rope trick. What would have caused the holed piston, wrong stop, wrong depth?

Only way I can see the rod failing with the rope trick was if he didn't use enough rope and the crank had lots of leverage on the rod when it got near TDC.

 

[landyboy]

Wow i`ve been logged on an hour an just got to the end and the threads still going gangbusters.
The cylinder Brad posted up is duff, no doubt about that. In fact it looks of lesser quality than the one on my 180, a cheapie, but i would guess quality control is going downhill across the board. All makes. I would bet a pound to a pinch of :censored:that husky, Dolmar, Jonsered are cutting corners to stay afloat.
I`m thankfull that i have good examples of the saws i want that are a few years old, but i will treasure them.
I have mostly Stihls but have no particular allegance. Stihls are popular here and dealer backup is good.
Technology moves on but QC goes back in time to keep units competitive, especially in the current economic climate.Would i buy a new saw at the moment from whatever brand? probably not.
Out of curiosity has anyone stripped another brand recently to check quality for comparison?