Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[THALL10326]

And around and around we go. skip to the lou my darling skip to the lou my darling.

LOL, Booker many years ago I was up in the hot seat at court. The Mrs and me were fueding over the kids. Her old lawyer was hammering me with a bunch of nasty questions and I was giving her replies that made her furious. It got so bad the judge started giggling. The judge finally said enough, you can be seated Mr Hall with a big smile on her face, yes female judge. Wanna guess who won, ya dayummmmmmmmm right, ME.

 

[edisto]

OK that is easy to answer, it must have been acceptable if it was on the saw. Adding to that apparently the saw was running ok, I have yet to hear it wasn't.

That's the answer I needed, and thanks for providing it. For the money, "as long as it's running" isn't going to cut it for me.

I wrote you a post answering that. While here I wanna ask you a question about acceptable things as well. I'm sure you saw the pics of my 372, I'm told that was a mistake, fair enuff. However that defect was seen by the person who made it, by the person who inspected it before assmebly, it was also seen by the person who put the oil hose in the hole during assembly, so we have three cover ups here, mistake, acceptable, quality control failure or they just didn't give a dayummm, which one is it??

Like I said, mistakes happen...it is how they are dealt with or tolerated that makes the difference. Maybe I won't find any company that is embarrassed by a lack of quality anymore, but that's OK too. I like old saws just fine.

I haven't followed the saga of old drippy in detail, but if someone said "it's running, quit yer #####in" about that, I'd be just as disheartened.

 

[bookerdog]

LOL, Booker many years ago I was up in the hot seat at court. The Mrs and me were fueding over the kids. Her old lawyer was hammering me with a bunch of nasty questions and I was giving her replies that made her furious. It got so bad the judge started giggling. The judge finally said enough, you can be seated Mr Hall with a big smile on her face, yes female judge. Wanna guess who won, ya dayummmmmmmmm right, ME.

To bad you ran into the bookerdog the last few years. You haven't won anything for a few. Sorry.

 

[THALL10326]

No but, you have used mr drippy several times and started threads up using mr drippy. Point being. Now skip a skip b skip c just like I taught you.

True I have, equal rights Booker. No, I've never named a thread for that saw that I can recall. In fact I for a long time I didn't know why it leaked so bad but boy I found out when I opened it up. No biggie, I use it now and then and live it with it. Runs good. I would never sell it to anyone knowing its screwed up though, that tant me.

 

[joatmon]

That is total BS Thall, you just like to keep stirring the pot.

BTW Me thinks joatmon is working incognito for STIHL, (buy the inferior cylinder at whatever the cost, destroy it or whatever, then no evidence it ever existed). I would of liked to see Brad get a new P/C from STIHL, just to see if they stand behind their products, (but thats not my call).

Now I'll add some more fuel to the fire, MS180 (with possibly 2 or 3 tanks of fuel thru it) comes in this am with PTO side bearing trashed, P/C and everything else no problem, just like brand new. This saw was sold by the local ACE Hardware Store, & they tell him it is used commercially so warranty is out. The guy bought it in 01/09 and trims (everybody's favorite) mulberry trees. I gave him $45.00 trade in allowance towards a Husqvarna 435, hopefully another convert.

Next a FS85 Trimmer with non-adjustable carb comes in with moderate scoring on exaust side of piston, don't know where or when purchased, but fuel in tank looked OK. This one is questionable, don't know if it was ever straight gassed or not, but with non-adj carb I know it was not run lean on carb adj.
Now that all of you DIEHARD STIHL fans have drawn and quartered Brad, flame on I have very thick skin.

AZL,

I'm in cognito, eh? I'm a StihlHeadLight, but I've flamed about Stihl dealers about as much as anyone on AS. Use a search and look at my posts. Then come back and repeat that statement.

You say this topic sucks, but you choose to throw three more gallons of gasoline just as this is dying out by presenting more anecdotal half-truths where the whole story appears unknown.

Now, I believe Brad launched an unfortunate attack by the language he used in the thread topic. However, I do understand that is his right, if it falls within the AS agreement. Perhaps he's given a bid more freedom as a site sponsor.

Brad issued a challenge for any StihlHead to buy that cylinder. I did so. My initial interest was to see if this non-Mahle cast cylinder with its obvious differences would perform as well as a Mahle and hold up over the long haul. I thought about buying a used 026/260 that needed a cylinder/piston and buying a new piston and using the saw as a sort of test project. Some here would doubt the verasity of this test, so perhaps it would be in vain.

I like Stihl. I've owned Husky (372XP and 390XP), have a Mac, and wanted to buy Dolmars (5100S and 7900) until the local dealer folded. I'm not an ace 2 stroke mechanic, so price, quality and service are factored in when I buy OPE. I was very candid about why I preferred the 440 over the 372 and the Husky crowd crowed that I didn't operate the 372 properly. Perhaps not. I can only relate my experiences filtered by the bias I've picked up from sixty years on this planet and the thirty years I spend on another planet preparing for this incognito assignment.

If anyone has any ideas about what to do with this, throw them out, and all that are serious and serve what I deem to be a worthwhile purpose will be considered.

Another item under consideration is building a 260 using this cylinder and a new piston and donating to a charity that a friend operates, Diligent Hands / Helping Hearts. DH/HH maintains owner occupied property for elderly that struggle to stay in their home, are unable to do their own work and can't afford to hire a pro to do it. I'm sure Todd could put the saw to good use.

We chased our pleasures here,
Dug our treasures there,

joat

 

[THALL10326]

That's the answer I needed, and thanks for providing it. For the money, "as long as it's running" isn't going to cut it for me.



Like I said, mistakes happen...it is how they are dealt with or tolerated that makes the difference. Maybe I won't find any company that is embarrassed by a lack of quality anymore, but that's OK too. I like old saws just fine.

I haven't followed the saga of old drippy in detail, but if someone said "it's running, quit yer #####in" about that, I'd be just as disheartened.

Well I'm sorry for Brad and his cylinder. It has really upset him. Me, I see so many machines throughtout the year they are just that, another machine, another job, another dollar made. There is not a saw in this world that I'm gonna lose any sleep over, they just don't mean that much to me. I will stay up late and carry on here, I like people more than equipment,

 

[bookerdog]

True I have, equal rights Booker. No, I've never named a thread for that saw that I can recall. In fact I for a long time I didn't know why it leaked so bad but boy I found out when I opened it up. No biggie, I use it now and then and live it with it. Runs good. I would never sell it to anyone knowing its screwed up though, that tant me.

Its almost embarrassing I made two steal heads admit to things they didn't want to.

 

[blsnelling]

It was wrong of me to wonder why or how you did it, my bad, but put the blame where it belongs.

That's cool. Bottom line, if Stihl used a cast beam-shaped rod, it wouldn't have bent. That's why I no longer own a 180 and have a 3800. Shinys have the beam rod too.

 

[blsnelling]

Seems like he holed a piston with the stop, then did the rope trick. What would have caused the holed piston, wrong stop, wrong depth?

Only way I can see the rod failing with the rope trick was if he didn't use enough rope and the crank had lots of leverage on the rod when it got near TDC.

The hole in the piston was on a different 180 and was at least partly my fault. I used a screw in piston stop which should not be used on this model. Reguardless the crown of the piston was paper thin.

I used more rope than it would take to hold the piston as low as the Stihl stop. That was definately not the cause.

 

[Griner Bros.]

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It's Raining here Tonight .... How about another 50 pages !!!!!

 

[retired redneck]

Buy japanese saws bet they don't have chi com cyl......

 

[blsnelling]

I wrote you a post answering that. While here I wanna ask you a question about acceptable things as well. I'm sure you saw the pics of my 372, I'm told that was a mistake, fair enuff. However that defect was seen by the person who made it, by the person who inspected it before assmebly, it was also seen by the person who put the oil hose in the hole during assembly, so we have three cover ups here, mistake, acceptable, quality control failure or they just didn't give a dayummm, which one is it??

Those are not corporate decisions. Those are three indivials making poor or undereducated decisions. To use the cylinders and designs saws as they do is a corporate decision.

And as far as me selling it? You are the guys saying its acceptable. Joatmon knows exactly what he bought and I told him he was nuts for doing so. In no was does that reflect on my character as you have insinuated several times. And defending the weak build construction of the 180 by accusing my methods is nothing less than rediculous. You're fishing for straws using that in your arguements. This thread would have ended about 30 pages ago if a couple of you had readily admitted that the cylinder is crap and Stihl is wrong for using them. Instead you have given evasive after evasive answer and tried to turn it around in your favor.

Nice try. We ain't buyin' it!:sword:

 

[edisto]

I like people more than equipment,

You like an audience...not exactly the same thing.

 

[blsnelling]

No one has drawn and quartered Brad. I did ask Brad question that I haven't seen his answer to. I asked him if he had bought my 372 and found that screwed up case hidden just like that cylinder would he had started a thread call Crappy Husky Case-Looks Like ChiCom Garbage. Have you seen it, is so please point it out to me.

It wouldn't have had this tone if I had. It is Stihl that braggs about being #1 Worldwide and then puts out garbage like this, no one else. They ask for this kind of reaction putting out this kind of stuff and bragging about their sales and reputation that they taught us to respect over the last 75 years. I can guarantee you they didn't get their reputation with products like this.

 

[THALL10326]

Just goes to prove my point.....Your customers aren't too bright and will buy shoddy workmanship based on a name/reputation that appears to be heading down a path no one wants to see.

You fellows can act like a bunch of clowns and keep cracking jokes all you want but there's only about a handful of ya on here (maybe 5) that keeps defending Stihl.

Looks like the vast majority of AS members are much brighter than your typical Stihl customer.

:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

There it is again Fast, whats with you and that crystal ball of yours. You know my customers, name a few, show me that thing really works, look in that ball.

Far as acting like clowns who was the clown that said where is the champ now, was that clown you, yes it was. You wanted this non-sense going on so don't be harping now. Fact is Fast your a follower and nothing more. If there's a bash Sthil thread your there with smoke coming off your shoes. The man from camp Dolly can't wait to jump in. Sorry Fast I can't bring myself to jump in every thread about a problem with a Dolmar or Husky like you do with Stihl, I got no interest in chasing threads like those, I find them boring and if you notice most don't last a page or two because the Stihl guys dont run in them and keep them going. Yes Fast Stihl is where the action is, you should know, look where you are toting that crystal ball with ya, :hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

Oh BTW Fast let me educate you about AS members. Every poll ever taken on AS about favorite saws Stihl wins 99% of the time, so the vast majority are brighter than your crystal ball tells you. Maybe you should change the bulb in that thing..

 

[blsnelling]

No, I'm not selling my Stihls. I sold the ones I had problems with and found competitor saws to replace them. Remember, I like good Stihl saws. The key word there being good.

 

[blsnelling]

Oh BTW Fast let me educate you about AS members. Every poll ever taken on AS about favorite saws Stihl wins 99% of the time, so the vast majority are brighter than your crystal ball tells you. Maybe you should change the bulb in that thing..

I'm glad you brought that up! Remember the 50cc saw poll? The Husky 346 won that one. Oh, the 260 was the Stihl entry:greenchainsaw:

 

[THALL10326]

It wouldn't have had this tone if I had. It is Stihl that braggs about being #1 Worldwide and then puts out garbage like this, no one else. They ask for this kind of reaction putting out this kind of stuff and bragging about their sales and reputation that they taught us to respect over the last 75 years. I can guarantee you they didn't get their reputation with products like this.

Well Brad whatcha gonna do, try to takem down, good luck with that, every manufacture in the world has tried, none has ever been able to do it but maybe , just maybe with this thread and that cylinder Stihl will collaspe but don't get your hopes up. You gonna sell all those Stihls you got, you should if you really feel as disappointed as you sound. I would.

I would delete those pics of that busted piston and bent rod if I were you though, thats on you buddy and it looks a helluva lot worse than that cylinder. You can't have that stuff floating around here and expect people to send you saws, delete them, looking out for ya, nothing personal, you know my motto..

 

[THALL10326]

I'm glad you brought that up! Remember the 50cc saw poll? The Husky 346 won that one. Oh, the 260 was the Stihl entry:greenchainsaw:

Yup thats why I left 1% open,LOL I like the 346 Husky!!!

 

[edisto]

Well Brad whatcha gonna do, try to takem down, good luck with that, every manufacture in the world has tried, none has ever been able to do it

That's a pretty big straw man you are building THALL. Never seen one made of round bales before.

If you can't argue the facts, generate a ridiculous statement and argue against it. Brad was expressing surprise and disappointment. Nothing more.


Of course, if that cylinder is not a freakish mistake, Stihl could be engineering their own undoing.