And the other two coming from the most reputable Brian, aka Timberwolf. Brian knows his stuff and both the 460 and 660 were current production saws with "Stihl" cylinders.
Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!
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And the other two coming from the most reputable Brian, aka Timberwolf. Brian knows his stuff and both the 460 and 660 were current production saws with "Stihl" cylinders.
Sawdustmaker
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Sling'r has report seeing some bad stihl jugs as well
2000ssm6
Stihl User
Uh oh. I guess I missed that.
Ok, so the quality isn't up to what was produced in past years. Spank me.
If you look into the ports of a Ski-Doo snowmachine cylinder, it looks really nice, nicer than the old Stihl pics I've seen. Then you look into a Polaris Fugi-engined (Fugi Heavy Industries), snowmachine. Big difference. Both machines run like crazy though.
Haven't seen a Cat cylinder yet.
If you look into the ports of a Ski-Doo snowmachine cylinder, it looks really nice, nicer than the old Stihl pics I've seen. Then you look into a Polaris Fugi-engined (Fugi Heavy Industries), snowmachine. Big difference. Both machines run like crazy though.
Haven't seen a Cat cylinder yet.
cuttinstuff
ArboristSite Operative
Are you sure the other 2,999,997 were good ones. Brad get busy you got a lot of work ahead.
Zama doesn't make cylinders and pistons as far as I know. I have the master catalog for Europe/Asia from 2007 and there's no pistons/cylinders available in it.
bookerdog
The New Champ
THALL10326
The Champ
Fair enuff, now that I set ya up I gotta ask ya. Brad if you had bought that 372 I got and found that screwed up crankcase like I did, hidden just like that cylinder your showing, would you have started a thread entittled Crappy Husky Crankcase-Looks Like ChiCom Garbage, yes or no. If yes then I shall go home, get me some pics of it and start me a good thread too,LOL
(sorry Brad, I couldn't resist)
bookerdog
The New Champ
Ask treeslinger what he's seen in steals cylinders as of late.
bookerdog
The New Champ
Doesn't matter if it's only one, the Stihl bashers are going to run with it.
You forgot timberwolfs thats 2
Tzed250
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Interesting...
Chicom junk.....
Interesting that you use that term in the title of a thread about a Stihl cylinder, yet you fail to use that term in your thread about a 361BB cylinder that you got for free, The said BB cylinder have cylindricity problems pointed out by you.
It is so easy for those that have never been involved in manufactring to pass judgement on quality.
Brad, have you confirmed that the cylinder makes measurably less power than a Mahle cylinder, or confirmed with a flowbench that the casting marks cause measurably less flow?
If you were manufacturing saws, would you pour a great deal of capital into a model that will soon be unsellable in your largest market?
Have you stopped to think that maybe Mahle's unit price was to high to keep the MS260 at the price point Stihl needs?
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the appearance is not top level, but it is a tool, not a work of art.
Maybe you should buy the book Stihl: From an Idea to a World Brand to discover some of the obstacles Stihl has overcome to get where they are.
This thread has generated 5 pages in two hours so I would say your main objective is met.
I wonder though, can you define the root cause of the "crappy cylinder"?
What is your short term and long term countermeasure?
Maybe you will do an FMEA?
If I remember correctly, manufacturing is not your field of expertise, so maybe we should view your judgement as that of a layman.
Think about this Brad, You have built yourself a mighty big soapbox here on AS, So you may want to take care with what you say.
John Given
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Chicom junk.....
Interesting that you use that term in the title of a thread about a Stihl cylinder, yet you fail to use that term in your thread about a 361BB cylinder that you got for free, The said BB cylinder have cylindricity problems pointed out by you.
It is so easy for those that have never been involved in manufactring to pass judgement on quality.
Brad, have you confirmed that the cylinder makes measurably less power than a Mahle cylinder, or confirmed with a flowbench that the casting marks cause measurably less flow?
If you were manufacturing saws, would you pour a great deal of capital into a model that will soon be unsellable in your largest market?
Have you stopped to think that maybe Mahle's unit price was to high to keep the MS260 at the price point Stihl needs?
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the appearance is not top level, but it is a tool, not a work of art.
Maybe you should buy the book Stihl: From an Idea to a World Brand to discover some of the obstacles Stihl has overcome to get where they are.
This thread has generated 5 pages in two hours so I would say your main objective is met.
I wonder though, can you define the root cause of the "crappy cylinder"?
What is your short term and long term countermeasure?
Maybe you will do an FMEA?
If I remember correctly, manufacturing is not your field of expertise, so maybe we should view your judgement as that of a layman.
Think about this Brad, You have built yourself a mighty big soapbox here on AS, So you may want to take care with what you say.
John Given
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spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
I'd say it certainly calls into question the quality control, wouldn't you? What are the chances that those 3 are the only bad ones, considering the nature of the defects?
THALL10326
The Champ
Close but no cigar, that's 3 that has been exposed out of 40,000,000 plus so far, not bad, what % is that, something like .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003%, not too shabby,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
bookerdog
The New Champ
Funny, I didn't see you calculating percentages on "drippy." Why is that?
Everyone giving Old Thall the beat down.
THALL10326
The Champ
Don't worry Booker, I'm on the up and up, I included Timbers in my count. Did you include Stihl's 40,000,000 plus sold in you count,LOLOLOL
You make sure to come over to my Husky crankcase thread later on Booker, ya hear, don't be late,LOL
Hot dayummmm I love a thread like this,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:
All of the major brands have been cutting corners, sacrificing quality for profit, and shipping units with defective cases, cylinders, pistons, and carburetors for some time now. Mahle has made junk, Gilardoni has made junk, and Tecomec has made junk. It's an undercurrent of modern corporate culture to cost more and produce less.
THALL10326
The Champ
Everyone giving Old Thall the beat down.
Beat down, I'm laffing my butt off, look up and read ole boy,hehe
