Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[bookerdog]

Well got to go to my grandmother in laws birthday she's 96 impressive. So Im going to let ol thall fights with ya. Just think A wife, A mother in law and a grandmother in law in the same room. LOL

 

[2000ssm6]

Whoh dude!!! No need to get so defensive. And for the record, I never said you guys wern't stand up guys. I'm sure you and I would get along great in real life. Cause this ain't all that real if ya know what I mean. I know you don't care that a 576 is faster, but you sure would if a 441 was faster then a 576. LOL dude, take it easy!!

Not getting defensive at all, that statement was posted in fun because I know we are not being serious. And yep, I'm sure we could saw together like everyone else here could.

 

[2000ssm6]

Well got to go to my grandmother in laws birthday she's 96 impressive. So Im going to let ol thall fights with ya. Just think A wife, A mother in law and a grandmother in law in the same room. LOL

Sounds like this ain't the only place you get beat, LOL.

 

[THALL10326]

And I didn't take it that way. FISH ON LMAO

Dayummmmmm you. BTW Booker, my 372 and 346 have Mahle cylinders, I checked them today,LOLOLOL Wonder what plant they came from,LOLOL

 

[THALL10326]

Well got to go to my grandmother in laws birthday she's 96 impressive. So Im going to let ol thall fights with ya. Just think A wife, A mother in law and a grandmother in law in the same room. LOL

Enjoy your evening Booker,

 

[2000ssm6]

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That is spot on, fits the poorly reported 359 casts also, not only Stihl saws are getting these casts.

 

[THALL10326]

I have said this once and will say it again, the cylinder looks like hell and no I hope I don't have one that looks like it in one of my saws, but I won't know unless one fails.

What got me was is the way the post was titled and the absurd allegations that have been made.

Nothing personal, I don't know the guy from Adam, but what amazes me is that a guy who was not too long ago asking opinions on his cylinder work, operating with files and a dremel tool is some how the almighty know all, saw guru of the ages, no degree in mechanical engineering, no flow testing of cylinders,etc. He probably does good work, I have know good auto mechanics who were home schooled, but to send a saw to anyone, to have it modified to perform at rpm levels far above what the factory specifies and for what a 2-3 second gain in a piece of wood, hell just buy a bigger saw and have a warranty instead of not knowing exactly what you getting.

I imagine both the guys at Stihl and Husky avoid this type of site just for that reason, their best engineer with years of expierence just couldn't hold a candle to some of the "God's" on this site, both Stihlheads and Huskyheads.
They've played with a few saws and are BY GOD the authority because they have opened a jug up and cranked it up to 15,000 rpms plus and it cuts a ten inch round in the back yard in 2.1 seconds, they don't have to worry about the liability issues, longevity issues or the EPA, good techs like Lakeside and yes even Thall don't mess around with mods, except maybe on their own saw, because they would be breaking the law by doing so, Lakeside stated that in more than one thread. I faced the same crap when working as a executive for a major firearms company, their are more arm chair experts on firearms than on chain saws. Let a gun writer (whore) who was given something for free and suddenly in the next magazine it was the best, don't give them the gun to keep for free it was marginal.

All companies are have new issues that are affecting the bottom line, compliance with the EPA, rising legal cost, smaller markets and yes I imagine we have seen the golden age of saws and regardless of brand we will never see the quality we have enjoyed.

But for one I will take the opinions of experienced saw techs over a enthusiast any day. If the thread was approached in a toned down professional manner, rather than the blatant screaming, know all, beat on the chest, puff up my reputation manner it was, there wouldn't be the 1000 post or all the ruffled feathers. It reminded me of a kid screaming and kicking for attention. He doesn't need to do that he obviously has a following, and probably is a great guy and a good saw mechanic, it was the message or messenger, it was the delivery that was wrong.

That's the real issue IMHO, which means nothing, I'm just a retired guy who cuts a little wood on the farm and helps my teenager cut and sell wood for his gas money and insurance.

Awesome post, you don't post much but when you do you nail it,

 

[edisto]

Exactly. Where ever the hell they usually get their parts from can't keep up they get them from another plant but its the same maker, Mahle out of Brazil, China or the USA, who knows, me I don't care long as it runs.

BTW this thing about Brazil. Was alot of talk about Brazil. The 038Mag was made in Brazil, the TS760, the TS510. Find me better made saws, there aren't any outhere today...

So...if she weighs as much as a duck, she is made of wood, and will float which means...

...she's a witch!

I hope you are being this ridiculous just to be amusing, because if your mind really functions this way, I'll have to stop picking on you. It just wouldn't be fair.

Doesn't matter where it was made...it is crap. Focus man!

 

[Jtheo]

Say what you want newbie. I have owned over 100 saws (all brands and colors) and done just about all you can do to a saw besides actually reworking the ports. I am gonna voice what I believe and have experienced. I hope you can do the same and actually uphold some integrity.

I kind of crossed over a line here on this post.

Doing it in fun, but it didn't come off right. My apology.

 

[PA Plumber]

WWWhhhheeeeewwwwwww.
Woweeeee.
Whoaaaaa.
Etc...

As this thing is boiling out, seems the saws I have might be okay after all.

Good thing the smelter wasn't quite up to temp yet. Almost made a big ole pot of recyclables out of all the saws sitting around here.

 

[THALL10326]

So...if she weighs as much as a duck, she is made of wood, and will float which means...

...she's a witch!

I hope you are being this ridiculous just to be amusing, because if your mind really functions this way, I'll have to stop picking on you. It just wouldn't be fair.

Doesn't matter where it was made...it is crap. Focus man!

Ed you keep on I'm just gonna assume your related to Brad,LOLOL

Ed the big deal was quality, Stihl's quality, have they gone Chicom. Seems the mighty Mahle has gone ChiCom, the maker that has pistons and cylinders in all saws, what else needs to be said. Yes it looked crappy for the 20th time, it looked crappy so it is crappy. Is it bad, unfit to run, No, thats the point..

 

[indiansprings]

No, THall, don't believe in saying a whole lot, rather sit back and learn on topics I far from being an expert on, but I'll call a spade a spade whether it you or anyone else. Many have tip toed around the real issue but no one had the intestinal fortitude to put it into words. Personally I think Brad is a wealth of information and have learned enormously from reading his post as well as yours, but this one wasn't handled in the right way, hell yes I be mad if I pulled off that cylinder, but would have never know unless it failed.

Did Stihl need called out, probably but not in that manner, I'd personally done some rescreach before screaming to the world Looks like Chicom garbage,
now it looks like Husky could have the same potential issue, is there going to be the same thread calling that out in the same manner, I doubt it, when your number 1, regardless of brand, John Deere, Wal-Mart, Exxon, etc, you get blasted more than if your two or three that's just part of being successful.

Post like this one hurt the credibility of this site in my opinion. No real knowledge gained here except grown men can yell back and forth Stihl sucks, Husky rules, Husky sucks, Stihl rules on and on.

I couldn't give a rats ass which is better, I live where Stihl probably has 90% market share, has good service and support and we had great luck with them, never had a saw fail in 30 years, but we take care of them, they are a tool we depend on, we can't afford to run and buy one at a whim.
If Husky was predominant in this area with great service and support I'd probably be running Husky, we are starting to see a few mainly the big box variety, but there is no reason to switch now we're happy with what we have, I plan on buying a bigger saw for this fall either a 441 or 460 can't seem to make up my mind, I'll probably wind up flipping a quarter, either one will get the job done. Will I tear it apart to see what cylinder it has, hell no, the dealer I've been doing business with for the last 30 years will take care of me whether it fails is 30 days or 3 years because he has seen how we take care of our saws.

I'm by far from a expert but I laugh at all the by god authorities that are out there. We use our saws every week of the year and they run six and a half days a week in the fall cutting hardwood. It's a hell of a difference than throwing up a few rounds and timing the cuts, sure timing them would be fun just to see what they run, but they either do the job or they don't, if they don't meet your expectation get rid of the sob.

If the proper tact would have been used, I wouldn't be typing this post.
I'll bet whether admitted or not a lesson has been learned and by the pm's and rep I have got there has been more respect lost than gained, not whether if it was a Stihl or Husky issue but by the tone of the message.

Last I'm saying on this subject.

 

[Woodie]

But for one I will take the opinions of experienced saw techs over a enthusiast any day.

Horse hockey.

The only 'experienced saw tech' on here, at least that I know about, who is defending stihl's practices juuuuuuust so happens to be a Stihl dealer himself.

The other wrenches, including several stihl wrenches, are none too pleased.


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[edisto]

Ed you keep on I'm just gonna assume your related to Brad,LOLOL

Ed the big deal was quality, Stihl's quality, have they gone Chicom. Seems the mighty Mahle has gone ChiCom, the maker that has pistons and cylinders in all saws, what else needs to be said. Yes it looked crappy for the 20th time, it looked crappy so it is crappy. Is it bad, unfit to run, No, thats the point..

The way you go on, I'm thinking you're related to Sarah Palin. Can you see Brazil from your house?

The big deal was quality based on a cylinder in hand.

If we use your logic that because Mahle has cylinders made elsewhere they must be as bad as the turd cylinder, so all saws have that same cylinder...except for your argument that the cylinder was an anomaly, so only 1 Stihl saw had it.

Focus...the problem isn't WHERE the cylinder was made, the problem is HOW the cylinder was made.

 

[THALL10326]

No, THall, don't believe in saying a whole lot, rather sit back and learn on topics I far from being an expert on, but I'll call a spade a spade whether it you or anyone else. Many have tip toed around the real issue but no one had the intestinal fortitude to put it into words. Personally I think Brad is a wealth of information and have learned enormously from reading his post as well as yours, but this one wasn't handled in the right way, hell yes I be mad if I pulled off that cylinder, but would have never know unless it failed.

Did Stihl need called out, probably but not in that manner, I'd personally done some rescreach before screaming to the world Looks like Chicom garbage,
now it looks like Husky could have the same potential issue, is there going to be the same thread calling that out in the same manner, I doubt it, when your number 1, regardless of brand, John Deere, Wal-Mart, Exxon, etc, you get blasted more than if your two or three that's just part of being successful.

Post like this one hurt the credibility of this site in my opinion. No real knowledge gained here except grown men can yell back and forth Stihl sucks, Husky rules, Husky sucks, Stihl rules on and on.

I couldn't give a rats ass which is better, I live where Stihl probably has 90% market share, has good service and support and we had great luck with them, never had a saw fail in 30 years, but we take care of them, they are a tool we depend on, we can't afford to run and buy one at a whim.
If Husky was predominant in this area with great service and support I'd probably be running Husky, we are starting to see a few mainly the big box variety, but there is no reason to switch now we're happy with what we have, I plan on buying a bigger saw for this fall either a 441 or 460 can't seem to make up my mind, I'll probably wind up flipping a quarter, either one will get the job done. Will I tear it apart to see what cylinder it has, hell no, the dealer I've been doing business with for the last 30 years will take care of me whether it fails is 30 days or 3 years because he has seen how we take care of our saws.

I'm by far from a expert but I laugh at all the by god authorities that are out there. We use our saws every week of the year and they run six and a half days a week in the fall cutting hardwood. It's a hell of a difference than throwing up a few rounds and timing the cuts, sure timing them would be fun just to see what they run, but they either do the job or they don't, if they don't meet your expectation get rid of the sob.

If the proper tact would have been used, I wouldn't be typing this post.
I'll bet whether admitted or not a lesson has been learned and by the pm's and rep I have got there has been more respect lost than gained, not whether if it was a Stihl or Husky issue but by the tone of the message.

Last I'm saying on this subject.

One the money once again. I'm about done with this thread as well. Not much more needs to be said cept a few things. As you saw when its Stihl being screamed at here's comes the same ole players, never fails. Thats why I think Lakeside decided to take a break, his belly probly couldn't take anymore. Eddie Anderson, one of the very best saw techs in the country got the hell out of here months ago over non-sense like this thread. Me, I'm a scrapper in fun but I must admit this one made me shake my head. If Stihl Inc was to read this thread they would have grounds to sue Brad, no joke they do. However they don't bother with non-sense like this, they build equipment, not roll in BS.

2010 all this saw building stuff is gonna ceased when the EPA starts looking at this site and see's who breaking the laws, not paying taxes on the money switching hands. Uncle Sam always ruins what most call fun. All fun and games now but wait till next year when EPA puts the hammer down.


Good post man, your sharp,

 

[Woodie]

Good post Spike. Let me give you the correct answer as to where that cylinder come from and why. That cylinder Brad said is marked Stihl, not Mahle. He also said the piston is marked Mahle, that I would like to see when Stihl makes there own pistons at Va Beach. They do not cast cylinders there, that is outsourced to Mahle. Me being the sneak that I am I made a call today about that cylinder Brad showed. That cylinder was made in Brasil, not China.

Now the interesting part as it was told to me. The only time Stihl uses cylinders from Brasil is when Mahle can't keep up with demand. Thats why its very rare to find Stihl pro saws with Stihl branded logo cylinders on them without Mahle written on it too, they are usually all Mahle. Oddly I'm not sure if they were telling me that cylinder is made for Stihl or by Stihl but I will indeed find out.

The cylinder in question is a Malhe made in Brazil for Stihl, my my my my. How could the mighty Mahle make a azz out of all these saw builders in the world, all 20 of them. Who's quality was it again thats going down???????

Looks like this thread will surely win the BS Thread of the year now. Sorry Brad but Mahle has made a complete azz out of you and everyone else that was piling on. Are you going to blame Stihl for Mahle going to China and Brazil? Do your homework before you cast those stones. See ya in the funny paper...

Tommy...that's the Stanley Cup of horse hockey.

Remember the top post above? Where mahle couldn't keep up with demand? So Stihl was making their own?

Now that cylinder, which is no where marked 'Mahle,' has magically morphed into a Mahle cylinder?

Like others have correctly pointed out, you went from Step A to Step J, and you didn't hit a single gol-danmed letter in between.

Your horse hockey just got called for icing.

Lay it down, Tommy. I hate to mix my sports analogies, but even your cut man can't stand it anymore.

Don't answer that bell. I'm afraid it tolls for thee.


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[weimedog]

So...where was that particular Cylinder made? Are there any markings to give a clue? Does someone have "inside" knowledge stating that those new MS260's have their cylinders sourced from a particular (Mahle) plant and actually know where that plant is? Is this now the norm for MS260's and thats "OK" because even though it looks like a porous mess, it ran?

My bet is Stihl still has to "check" in shipments and QA those shipments. My assumption was that that Cylinder was an anomoly...so now the "Stihl" guys are saying it isn't? And this is the New acceptable manufacturing standard for the most expensive game in town?

All the blustering and name calling still hasn't shed any new light on the subject or answer the questions that are NOW in my mind as a result of the new Stihl approach as defined by the Stihl "insiders" here...

1) Is this a bad cylinder that got thru Both Mahle's and Stihl's QA? Or is this the "new" standard for a $500 dollar saw?
2) Are the Stihl "Pro's" trying to convince me that this would be acceptable because it works...reguardless of HOW well it works relative to the typical MS260?
3) Are specific models from the major companies getting Mahle parts that are substandard because of the locations they are made? If this is the case, I want to know WHICH saw models have parts from THOSE facilities...I certainly won't spend the big bucks if cast pistons like has been posted and lousy cylinders as has been posted starting this thread are the norm for those models.

Don't even try to convince me the "extra" money is because of the "dealer" support rather than the quality of the product. If blustering with BS & generalizations and name calling vs. insight to this particular model and that particular casting in question is the "official" Stihl approach to these quality issues...we are watching yet another fine company begin the down ward spiral... just because Mahle sells to all major saw builders, that doesn't mean all major saw builders would accept that cylinder as the new quality standard. That assumption is pure BS. AND it isn't clear to me that the cylinder in question is actually a Mahle product...

 

[Woodie]

If Stihl Inc was to read this thread they would have grounds to sue Brad, no joke they do.

In this country, anyone can sue anyone else for anything.

Stihl would be laughed out of court for that one, though. The case would be dismissed with prejudice, Brad would sue successfully for malicious prosecution, and Hans Peter Stihl would be brought to the town square and bich-slapped before God and man.

DISMISSED!


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[THALL10326]

Horse hockey.

The only 'experienced saw tech' on here, at least that I know about, who is defending stihl's practices juuuuuuust so happens to be a Stihl dealer himself.

The other wrenches, including several stihl wrenches, are none too pleased.


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Woodie does your J-red saw have a ChiCom piston and cylinder from Mahle on it?, do you know? Far as defending that cylinder for the 21st time it looked crappy, almost as bad as my 372 case which you have no problem defending, and twin-I beam, another piece of junk you seen to run from but I understand why though why still run from it, your outta there now, along with 1.6HP when its 1.6cu in. Want more, its Sunday and its Mothers day, I'm being a good boy today and guess what I'm with Indain, I got better things to do, have a good one Woodie..

 

[indiansprings]

Woodie, you seem to have a comprehension problem, it seems to be a continuing pattern, where did I say in regards too this issue, nothing specific just in general. I'll say it again in a different manner, so you get my meaning.
I'll take the word of a experienced tech of any brand of saw on any subject over and enthusiast, if the tech has been at it for years and is experienced, whether its chain saws, cars, trucks, planes, trains whatever it is that needs worked on.


All you give a damn about is bashing Stihl. The cylinder sucked, I hope Husky doesn't have the same issue but it seems possible since they use the same supplier who mfgs in Brazil and China.

I couldn't give a damn about which brand of saw is in my hands as long as it is dependable and does what I want it to. Hell send me a 372 and we'll run the crap out of it with no prejudice, probably be just as good or better than anything I've got. Send me a Dolmar same thing.

You just stay on the band wagon get your saw modded run the thing at 15k and we'll see how long it last using it like we do. It will fail sooner that that sorry cylinder that was used as an example, and thats just my opinion which isn't worth a damn as I'm not a saw guru, I just put good mix in them, bar oil, use sharp chains and maintain them at the end of every day I use them,
they don't sit on a shelf to look pretty nor I use them to cut cookies and
any of the major brands, preferably of European origin work for me.

You guys need to grow up and get over the Stihl vs Husky issue, your not in High School any more, it's just like Ford and Chevy after you mature you couldn't give a crap less, long as it gets you there.