Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[Taxmantoo]

I have a (sort of) solution:

Have your salesman demonstrate how to take off the plastic and clean the cooling fins. If the cylinder is so poorly cast that the fins look like crap, don't buy that saw.

 

[edisto]

Easy Brad, the piston stop is a certain thickness, your rope is not, it flattens under pressure, the piston stop does not. With the piston stop the rod, piston and crank are standing striaght up at its strongest point. You would have to mash the rod instead of bending to make it fail. With the rope you can't be certain exactly what position the crank, rod and piston are due to the rope flattening out. Take a piece of metal and put it on a angle and apply force it will bend. Take that same piece of metal and stand it striaght up and try to mash it striaght down, almost impossible.

I'm not commenting on using a rope vs. a stop, but this explanation is total fiction. A connecting rod is a two force body in the linkage. It is connected by pins that don't allow the rod to be torqued, and only transmit a force along the length of the rod. It failed by buckling.

That's only true when you're transferring force from the piston to the crankshaft. It couldn't possibly be true when the crankshaft is being pushed against the rod.

 

[BlackCatBone]

Easy Brad, the piston stop is a certain thickness, your rope is not, it flattens under pressure, the piston stop does not. With the piston stop the rod, piston and crank are standing striaght up at its strongest point. You would have to mash the rod instead of bending to make it fail. With the rope you can't be certain exactly what position the crank, rod and piston are due to the rope flattening out. Take a piece of metal and put it on a angle and apply force it will bend. Take that same piece of metal and stand it striaght up and try to mash it striaght down, almost impossible.



That's only true when you're transferring force from the piston to the crankshaft. It couldn't possibly be true when the crankshaft is being pushed against the rod.

So, are agreeing with Tom, or me? I am a bit confused by your post.

 

[blsnelling]

I have a (sort of) solution:

Have your salesman demonstrate how to take off the plastic and clean the cooling fins. If the cylinder is so poorly cast that the fins look like crap, don't buy that saw.

I can see this same casting on the 260 at my dealer without even removing the shroud

 

[edisto]

So, are agreeing with Tom, or me? I am a bit confused by your post.

C'mon...I sent you rep, used smiley faces and everything!

You are spot on, and I'm still laughing about not having seen it myself.

"You can 'nae change the laws of physics!"

 

[blsnelling]

"You can't change the laws of physics!"

Some will try, just to defend Stihl:jawdrop:

 

[stipes]

I'm glad Brad posted that ,,and in my eyes he wasnt tryin to start a fight with anyone,,just to give us all a head up on what he found...I cant ever say anything bad about that but a thank you for sharing...*I'm still hoping that was a fluke,,and got by qc*.....
I always been a Stihl fan,,always will be,,,started frm the 028 super years ago...My MS440 has done well for falling and bucking,,The little ms260 I bought last year is a cherry,,and the fin casting looks nothing like that pic....
My worries is how long is that gonna last with that casting...Yes,,it might cut great now,,but down the road,,how damn long it gonna run..Do they have a set lifetime for a saw and say it's your now,,and eat it???Can you mill small logs with it and trust that it wont lock up on you??? Yes,,I mean mill with a MS260 pro....
I would love to put that jug tru a test after breakin it in and see how much crap you could put it tru...Me,,,I'd mill the hell outta it and just to see how long it would last....With the scratches on the cyl. wall after a few tanks,,,,the ni. chiped off,,and the raised sand casting knots..Me I'd say it would die pretty fast.....Thats just my thoughts on that....

 

[BlackCatBone]

C'mon...I sent you rep, used smiley faces and everything!

You are spot on, and I'm still laughing about not having seen it myself.

"You can 'nae change the laws of physics!"

Sorry Brosky! I gave up coffee, and it's hurting ma brain powa.

 

[Fastcast]

all stihl equipment must be passed on IMO.

How do we get them to change back to the good ole days? Stop buying their stuff.

I really like Lays Original potato chips but can't stand their crappy Barbecue flavor chips.....I guess with your logic, I should boycott all of their products, because a few dud spuds.

 

[ropensaddle]

I really like Lays Original potato chips but can't stand their crappy Barbecue flavor chips.....I guess with your logic, I should boycott all of their products, because a few dud spuds.

Chip and pro saws don't mix tater tot :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[blsnelling]

Chip and pro saws don't mix tater tot :hmm3grin2orange:

A man's got to eat to put in a good days work, don't he:greenchainsaw:

 

[stihl sawing]

After reading all these pages i will comment, It's not just stihl that has sold out to the chinese, About all manufactures do it to stay competitive. Cheap labor and cheap production cost will allow them to stay with everyone else that goes the china way. It is sad to see but it is happening. Just about everything you pick up now says made in china. I personally would rather have the quality and pay more but that is not how most people want it. They would rather pay a cheap price for less quality.

I really don't know how the cylinder should look but even i can see the chip and casting flaws. If stihl decides to keep using those cylinders and they prove to wear out sooner than the older ones then it may come back to bite them in the arse. If the other manufactures parts are not currently made in china, give them time. Most people that buys stihl saws now don't have a clue what a good cylinder should look like and stihl is betting their reputation that they won't ever find out either. You guys know what they should look like and you will be the only voice that tells them what they have done.

The truth known, how many homeowner saws are sold compared to pro saws that are used proffesionally everyday. I would imagine the homeowners are sold quite a bit more. So it sounds like they are selling to the homeowner who could give a rats behind if the casting is flawed cause he don't know. Plus the saw may get used once a year. truly a sad time when once quality manufactures are going to cheap labor and parts. It's not just stihl, Have seen it with several products. My speeco splitter is one of them. New ones are no where near the quality of the old ones.

 

[blsnelling]

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct

 

[fredmc]

load of crap

After reading all these pages i will comment, It's not just stihl that has sold out to the chinese, About all manufactures do it to stay competitive. Cheap labor and cheap production cost will allow them to stay with everyone else that goes the china way. It is sad to see but it is happening. Just about everything you pick up now says made in china. I personally would rather have the quality and pay more but that is not how most people want it. They would rather pay a cheap price for less quality.

I really don't know how the cylinder should look but even i can see the chip and casting flaws. If stihl decides to keep using those cylinders and they prove to wear out sooner than the older ones then it may come back to bite them in the arse. If the other manufactures parts are not currently made in china, give them time. Most people that buys stihl saws now don't have a clue what a good cylinder should look like and stihl is betting their reputation that they won't ever find out either. You guys know what they should look like and you will be the only voice that tells them what they have done.

The truth known, how many homeowner saws are sold compared to pro saws that are used proffesionally everyday. I would imagine the homeowners are sold quite a bit more. So it sounds like they are selling to the homeowner who could give a rats behind if the casting is flawed cause he don't know. Plus the saw may get used once a year. truly a sad time when once quality manufactures are going to cheap labor and parts. It's not just stihl, Have seen it with several products. My speeco splitter is one of them. New ones are no where near the quality of the old ones.

Thats bull crap! I fixed a poulan that was blown. The new cylinder $40 I got from them in no way looked like that POC stihl cylinder. I disagree, I work in the auto manufacturing industry, what happened with that cylinder was known to QC. Sounds like Stihl needs a new after market supplier, maybe they should call Dolmar and ask them who used to make their 111 cylinders, or better yet maybe electrolux can make them.

 

[stihl sawing]

Thats bull crap! I fixed a poulan that was blown. The new cylinder $40 I got from them in no way looked like that POC stihl cylinder. I disagree, I work in the auto manufacturing industry, what happened with that cylinder was known to QC. Sounds like Stihl needs a new after market supplier, maybe they should call Dolmar and ask them who used to make their 111 cylinders, or better yet maybe electrolux can make them.

Are you going to tell me that you see no auto parts that are made in china. Anybody that has been to an auto parts store and bought parts will see that most of the stuff they try to sell you is made in china. And if your fixing blown poulans............well they must be a pos from the start.

 

[fredmc]

Are you going to tell me that you see no auto parts that are made in china. Anybody that has been to an auto parts store and bought parts will see that most of the stuff they try to sell you is made in china. And if your fixing blown poulans............well they must be a pos from the start.

We get stuff from China all the time, that isn't the point. Those cylinders should not have made it past QC. The problem is the supplier, get a better chinese supplier to make a better quality cylinder. My point is: poulan (made in china) has better quality casting and rework to the chamfering than what I saw at the beginning of this thread. Ya understand? and I make money fixing blown poulans because the local Stihl guy likes the smell of his own farts so much that he refuses to work on them.

 

[fredmc]

Are you going to tell me that you see no auto parts that are made in china. Anybody that has been to an auto parts store and bought parts will see that most of the stuff they try to sell you is made in china. And if your fixing blown poulans............well they must be a pos from the start.

There is no reason to accept bad quality parts from China, they are capable of quality.

 

[stihl sawing]

We get stuff from China all the time, that isn't the point. Those cylinders should not have made it past QC. The problem is the supplier, get a better chinese supplier to make a better quality cylinder. My point is: poulan (made in china) has better quality casting and rework to the chamfering than what I saw at the beginning of this thread. Ya understand? and I make money fixing blown poulans because the local Stihl guy likes the smell of his own farts so much that he refuses to work on them.

I would not argue with you on that one. Except they should still be made by the company that made the good ones. But unfortunatly that's the way companys are going.

 

[stihl sawing]

There is no reason to accept bad quality parts from China, they are capable of quality.

Wouldn't argue with that one either except are they capable of producing quality? I have seen none.

 

[ropensaddle]

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct

Yup and now the song is cued were not gonna take it,no we ain't gonna take it I avoid all china stuff now. I bought a John Deere generator used it twice motor blown they are not wanting to cover the warranty and I don't like it but in fairness the crankcase was low on oil.
That is why they said it should have been full I looked the tech into his eyes deep and said yes it should and added new motors should not use oil. I will never buy anything and I mean anything ever again with briggs and crapon label. I asked him if I could put a honda in place
and he said no, so I may have just got screwed for 1700.00 but I may take the head and try retrofitting it to work off my tractors pto. The new b&s are pure garbage imo my honda is full used it many hours splitting wood but the b&s better check it every hour of use.