Directional felling

[tramp bushler]

Why do people have to make soo many weird cuts to fall a tree ... Some people make it alot harder than it needs to be ... .. People who advocate sloping back cuts have been smoking pot ......:censored:

 

[clearance]

Why do people have to make soo many weird cuts to fall a tree ... Some people make it alot harder than it needs to be ... .. People who advocate sloping back cuts have been smoking pot ......:censored:

Lots of fallers here smoke pot, and thats just like drinking coffee to them, no big deal. The sloping backcut is way beyond smoking pot, its deranged. I have seen it many times along forestry service roads in this province. Weekend warrior wannabees, no doubt.

 

[Meadow Beaver]

This is what it should look like:

 

[tramp bushler]

Their not the same

Smokin dope and drinking coffee are not the same .... Nope . No way ....
But your 100% right on the slopeing back cuts along forest service roads ........My point was that you have to be thinking backwards to think a slopeing backcut somehow consistently improves the outcome of stickin a saw into a tree ...........

 

[Meadow Beaver]

Hey Tramp you still got any of those Ace 394's?

 

[tramp bushler]

This is what it should look like:

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. Hey , thats cool , cutting snow white trees at night . :jawdrop:
Good diagram tho .

 

[Meadow Beaver]

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. Hey , thats cool , cutting snow white trees at night . :jawdrop:
Good diagram tho .

Not bad for just using paint.

 

[clearance]

Smokin dope and drinking coffee are not the same .... Nope . No way ....
But your 100% right on the slopeing back cuts along forest service roads ........My point was that you have to be thinking backwards to think a slopeing backcut somehow consistently improves the outcome of stickin a saw into a tree ...........

Never said they were, just said pot is used as coffee is used, same deal to some, but, no, its not the same. I used to drink beer like it was pop, not the same either. The sloping backcut is crazy, I have seen it many places, along with some funny undercuts as well, but, if they knew better, they would do better. I have got better at falling, and bucking, thanks to the fallers that showed me.

 

[tramp bushler]

I hope I,m not being rude to the original Questioneer ....... If you buy a Husky, Stihl , or Solo , Pro grade saw .they come with a book ... In that book there are diagrams on how to fall a tree . If you just do it the way they show , most trees will hit their lays ... .. If you use plastic falling wedges instead of a steel pry Bar .. Your chain will live ALOT longer and still actually cut .. Also you won,t get shrapnel wounds in your body ... I see all manner of foolishness around here from these non coastal flat landers ,and they will argue till they are blue in the face with a guy who would cut 1 or 2 SHIP loads of timber a year for years till there were no more jobs doing so ......

 

[Meadow Beaver]

For me it boils down to this: I hate seeing poorly cut stumps, I really hate seeing someone make a s****y stump. The way I see it, if you can't drop a tree right, then just give me your chainsaw(s) because you don't deserve it.

 

[hammerlogging]

you've missed the real glory, the hippie speedball, reefer AND coffee.

I know people smole weed while falling, but I don't think its necessary, or good. I also know people who snort pills while falling.... and ...... but I don't work with them. And when I did, I gave them a LOT of space...

 

[stuartc44]

Hi, Is it a 'split-level' cut your'e talking about?

Thats what we call it over here, only really any good on smaller trees with back lean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZz7EylX3Ck

 

[Metals406]

Hi, Is it a 'split-level' cut your'e talking about?

Thats what we call it over here, only really any good on smaller trees with back lean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZz7EylX3Ck

Well, I'd say that's the cut the OP was trying to describe. . . And I agree, only useful on pecker-poles.

I'd almost rather use the 1/4 cut than a split-level though.

 

[Burvol]

you've missed the real glory, the hippie speedball, reefer AND coffee.

I know people smole weed while falling, but I don't think its necessary, or good. I also know people who snort pills while falling.... and ...... but I don't work with them. And when I did, I gave them a LOT of space...

Speed balls, LOL. Joe your a maniac. I can imagine some guys I know that where my age in the late 70's into the 80's cutting logs. Scary fun to them back then.

You wanna tie one on, or just drink two beers, smoke a whole J or just a little toke, that's fine it's your choice after work. You stick #### up your nose or smoke white crap and it's over for your woods career. Just wait, it will fold. I have cut logs with two of those guys, and their hard drug addiction won. No shows, late, unsafe, ect. = gonners. Good cutters too. Unfortuanatly I am working this winter with some loggers that have drug issues. It's really sad and it pisses me off in the field. That's all I'll say about that. You should be sober at work, and that means no ####ing hangover.

I am guilty of the last one when I use to drink. Anyone I have authority over will get 2 free hangovers, LOL I'm not a ####...been there.

 

[bitzer]

Wow it took that guy in the vid all day to do that. On heavy leaning smaller ones that are leaning back and right and I need them to go forward and left, I'll bore through the face, put a wedge in the back, and cut the straps on each side, cutting the side with the most back lean a little first and pounding the wedge in farther than cut the other side to make it go. Definetely faster than that, but thats only when I need to. They use a lot of fuel over there on those small trees...




Sloping backcut stumps are everywhere in Wisconsin. I don't know why they are thought to be such a great idea, but often I see them with no hinge and evidence of the tree falling the opposite of the intended direction.

 

[Burvol]

Sorry Hammerlogging your wrong on the idea and I am fully trained and experienced in my field and yes we do things here to a high saftey standard. As for the cut I have drawn a picture to the best of my ability and maybe it will help. I might see if I can make contact with my old instructor, I'm going back to the college in Jan.

I think they are trying to "Release the Vise" as Steve calls it.

The Siswell cut, "Cutting your piece of pie" is in close proximity to the bar in your diagram, but it is done differently. It is directly infront of the hinge wood on the uphill side, then down in. You cut the pie shape out then swing the tree. You can see the pie shape from the same angle as your diagram.

It allows the tree to move forward when swinging, rather than have your uphill holding side be stiff and breaking fiber while swinging. It is truly impressive to watch. I won't hardly swing trees with out it now. Big trees with a decent amount of side lean that have to be wedged are canidates for this too. Wedge way easier when you cut yourself a piece of pie.

 

[bitzer]

Speed balls, LOL. Joe your a maniac. I can imagine some guys I know that where my age in the late 70's into the 80's cutting logs. Scary fun to them back then.

You wanna tie one on, or just drink two beers, smoke a whole J or just a little toke, that's fine it's your choice after work. You stick #### up your nose or smoke white crap and it's over for your woods career. Just wait, it will fold. I have cut logs with two of those guys, and their hard drug addiction won. No shows, late, unsafe, ect. = gonners. Good cutters too. Unfortuanatly I am working this winter with some loggers that have drug issues. It's really sad and it pisses me off in the field. That's all I'll say about that. You should be sober at work, and that means no ####ing hangover.

I am guilty of the last one when I use to drink. Anyone I have authority over will get 2 free hangovers, LOL I'm not a ####...been there.

The drugs usually do win. I quit the hard stuff years ago. I barely even drink anymore. It used to be a hangover and wake & bake all day everyday, get the shakes around lunch time, race to the gas station or liquor store as soon as I'm off the job and suck it up all night accompanied with what ever else was around to smoke or put up my nose. I've got buddies from high school still doing the same things. In and out of jail, can't hold a job, kids with different girls... One day I just said enough is enough, got sick of it. I had to cut all ties with my pals because its a trap. No rehab, just quit. Its been about 7 years now and I'll have an occaisonal beer or three, but nothing close to the old days. I am still amazed that I lived though some of that. Its too bad when you have guy that is a good guy when he is sober, but he just can't get away from the stuff. A good friend of mine that stood up in my wedding is one of them. He's been in and out of jail for years and I haven't talked to him in a long time. Just a waste.

 

[Metals406]

I think they are trying to "Release the Vise" as Steve calls it.

The Siswell cut, "Cutting your piece of pie" is in close proximity to the bar in your diagram, but it is done differently. It is directly infront of the hinge wood on the uphill side, then down in. You cut the pie shape out then swing the tree. You can see the pie shape from the same angle as your diagram.

It allows the tree to move forward when swinging, rather than have your uphill holding side be stiff and breaking fiber while swinging. It is truly impressive to watch. I won't hardly swing trees with out it now. Big trees with a decent amount of side lean that have to be wedged are canidates for this too. Wedge way easier when you cut yourself a piece of pie.

Burvol, you working today? If you had time, I'd love to see some pics/video of this Siswell cut in action. . . Sounds like an interesting technique.

 

[tramp bushler]

you've missed the real glory, the hippie speedball, reefer AND coffee.

I know people smole weed while falling, but I don't think its necessary, or good. I also know people who snort pills while falling.... and ...... but I don't work with them. And when I did, I gave them a LOT of space...

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. Ya and I can show you head stones and accident pics of guys who smoked pot while cutting and were crankin ..... LOTS OF THEM .. I can find guys still alive and introduce you to them ,who are just shells anymore ,who got smashed while high or crankin .........If someone can,t do the job pretty much naturally , they can,t do the job .....................Even too much coffee isn,t good ....

 

[tramp bushler]

Wow it took that guy in the vid all day to do that. On heavy leaning smaller ones that are leaning back and right and I need them to go forward and left, I'll bore through the face, put a wedge in the back, and cut the straps on each side, cutting the side with the most back lean a little first and pounding the wedge in farther than cut the other side to make it go. Definetely faster than that, but thats only when I need to. They use a lot of fuel over there on those small trees...
:agree2: He also way needs to sharpen that Solo .He left such a high stump ... I would have just slope cut the whole stump , shot the butt away from the intended direction of fall which would have thrown the head of the tree to the intended direction and let it go . Would have hit the same lay but would have taken a few seconds ..... But then I,m also a Pre Comercial Tree thinner .... Most little stuff , if you slide the butt off the stump away from the desired direction of fall it will go where you want it to ...And it will be done in a few seconds instead of all that time .......Hi



Sloping backcut stumps are everywhere in Wisconsin. I don't know why they are thought to be such a great idea, but often I see them with no hinge and evidence of the tree falling the opposite of the intended direction.

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