Dolmar 421, Stihl 250/251, 241 or 261

[KG441c]

Well, you can really dish out your opinionated crap, like you claim that others do here. Case in point:



You seem to think (and preach) that all ported saws are improvements over stock. Its not a myth and in many cases (that I have seen) porting most definitely can lower saw dependability and greatly reduce longevity. I have also run ported saws that were complete turds. I have seen ported saws lock up and fail rapidly. Racing saws are ported to the point of being useless for more than a few minutes before they overheat. Which is what they are intended to do for racing, but they are useless in the woods.

As 7 pointed out, there are many levels of porting. What you are referring to here is muffler modification and exhaust and intake port modification. That may increase breathing of the 2-stroke and improve performance, or it may not. They can be done right, within the capacity of the saw to function properly, and they can also be done wrong when things are taken too far and produce a useless saw. After muffler and port mods, there are cut squish and pop up mods that are intended to raise compression. That is where the real power from porting comes from. However, doing that (using the standard method of removing material from the base of the jug or removing the gasket) will change port timing, and that leads to all kinds of issues if you do not do other modifications to compensate. You can make a turd really fast by screwing up mechanical timing. You can also push the compression too high, and put way too much stress on the bearings and rod, leading to premature (or even rapid) failure. I have seen saw crews send saws out to be "woods" ported, and over the long haul, they failed a lot faster than their stock counterpart saw.

And why are my opinions crap and anything u just stated no more than your opinions and more valuable?

 

[KG441c]

Well all you have stated is your opionion and all I did is state my opionion, if you feel like you do, well then nobody in the world can help you.

7

All I did was offer my opinion and I felt u was givin me alil kick in the sac. Sorry for the insult my man

 

[CoreyB]

Well, you can really dish out your opinionated crap, like you claim that others do here. Case in point:



You seem to think (and preach) that all ported saws are improvements over stock. Its not a myth and in many cases (that I have seen) porting most definitely can lower saw dependability and greatly reduce longevity. I have also run ported saws that were complete turds. I have seen ported saws lock up and fail rapidly. Racing saws are ported to the point of being useless for more than a few minutes before they overheat. Which is what they are intended to do for racing, but they are useless in the woods.

As 7 pointed out, there are many levels of porting. What you are referring to here is muffler modification and exhaust and intake port modification. That may increase breathing of the 2-stroke and improve performance, or it may not. They can be done right, within the capacity of the saw to function properly, and they can also be done wrong when things are taken too far and produce a useless saw. After muffler and port mods, there are cut squish and pop up mods that are intended to raise compression. That is where the real power from porting comes from. However, doing that (using the standard method of removing material from the base of the jug or removing the gasket) will change port timing, and that leads to all kinds of issues if you do not do other modifications to compensate. You can make a turd really fast by screwing up mechanical timing. You can also push the compression too high, and put way too much stress on the bearings and rod, leading to premature (or even rapid) failure. I have seen saw crews send saws out to be "woods" ported, and over the long haul, they failed a lot faster than their stock counterpart saw.

Very well said and the op has a 661 for more power and every saw he has has asked about will discuss a fine job . Just the 421 and 241 will most likely hold up better. Be that he liked the 250 I think he would be very happy to get any of them. I will refer to just for to the dealers and test them out.

 

[Woody912]

The Teddy Bear story originated in Mississippi, and we do still have 3-4 wild bears

They removed a bear from a tree in downtown Jackson couple yrs back. Think they are getting pretty common in the Delta, first documented births couple years back

 

[CoreyB]

Just an FYI the best dealer in my area carries dolmar, the stihl dealer could care less if anyone was in the store or not. In fact they make you feel like you are an inconvenience to be in the store. So I buy Dolmar's and am happy they are a very good saw at a good price.

 

[windthrown]

And why are my opinions crap and anything u just stated no more than your opinions and more valuable?

I did not say that my opinions are any more valuable than anyone else's here. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statements in attacking 7.

I also think I am right though, especially when it comes to the over-inflated case of saw mods and porting on this site. Saw porting is a cult here, and has led to insane flame wars over pop-up vs squish cut mods. They were, and continue to remain, epic. Over what? The method used to increase compression? Both work. Which method is better though has lead to nuclear war, and the carnage is strewn out over more than a dozen online forums. Darin removed the modders as sponsors recently because of the latest attacks by the pro squish-cut fanatics. Lots of people here were sent to band camp. SVK quit as a mod here because of the fall out. It has reached the level of political insanity, really.

 

[KG441c]

Just an FYI the best dealer in my area carries dolmar, the stihl dealer could care less if anyone was in the store or not. In fact they make you feel like you are an inconvenience to be in the store. So I buy Dolmar's and am happy they are a very good saw at a good price.

Just the opposite her in La. Hardly anyone has heard of Dolmar much less own one. Ivr ran several that were very nice strong saws though. Strictly Stihl country here

 

[KG441c]

I did not say that my opinions are any more valuable than anyone else's here. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statements in attacking 7.

I also think I am right though, especially when it comes to the over-inflated case of saw mods and porting on this site. Saw porting is a cult here, and has led to insane flame wars over pop-up vs squish cut mods. They were, and continue to remain, epic. Over what? The method used to increase compression? Both work. Which method is better though has lead to nuclear war, and the carnage is strewn out over more than a dozen online forums. Darin removed the modders as sponsors recently because of the latest attacks by the pro squish-cut fanatics. Lots of people here were sent to band camp. SVK quit as a mod here because of the fall out. Its insane, really.

I happen to totally disagree with the porting not helping in almost every saw I have ported . Maybe yall need a different port guy over there? 2 saws that I have seen that do run good factory though r a 044/440 and a 064. If I was gonna run factory which I choose not to, Dolmar would be my choice as most I have ran has bumped compression from the factory and r runners out of the box, BUT!! I havent seen one of thoso that couldnt be made to run better ported

 

[7sleeper]

I did not say that my opinions are any more valuable than anyone else's here. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statements in attacking 7.

I also think I am right though, especially when it comes to the over-inflated case of saw mods and porting on this site. Saw porting is a cult here, and has led to insane flame wars over pop-up vs squish cut mods. They were, and continue to remain, epic. Over what? The method used to increase compression? Both work. Which method is better though has lead to nuclear war, and the carnage is strewn out over more than a dozen online forums. Darin removed the modders as sponsors recently because of the latest attacks by the pro squish-cut fanatics. Lots of people here were sent to band camp. SVK quit as a mod here because of the fall out. It has reached the level of political insanity, really.

I see it similar! It is really ruining great communities when people become some kind of fanatics. The cyber attack years ago was nothing compared to what is going on now. This and other forums are practically dead.

A real shame!

7

 

[7sleeper]

I happen to totally disagree with the porting not helping in almost every saw I have ported . Maybe yall need a different port guy over there? 2 saws that I have seen that do run good factory though r a 044/440 and a 064. If I was gonna run factory which I choose not to, Dolmar would be my choice as most I have ran has bumped compression from the factory and r runners out of the box, BUT!! I havent seen one of thoso that couldnt be made to run better ported

Well if you believe you have a chance to make some coin then do it and keep up with your agenda.

7

 

[KG441c]

Well if you believe you have a chance to make some coin then do it and keep up with your agenda.

7

More or less a hobby for me as I have a day job with time restraints. I would love to be able to port everyday but I have to many years invested in the company I work for to belly up. I guess if u port u see things differently from a performance and mechanical standpoint but if someone doesnt understand ones view of that I guess it would be harder to see their opinions as valuable in a discussion where 99% run factory saws

 

[Michaelmj11]

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YEEEH gads, here I thought I had been blatant enough to be taken as being tongue-and-cheek. Apparently I was NOT successful.

I was NOT trying to get into a pissing match with

.

And for what it might add, I did not have any free time during the day to respond to all the reply's, so unfortunately I could not correct my mistake fast enough not to look like and even bigger butthead.

Michael if u want an opinion on someone who cuts daily Kenjax( Chris) is the one who would know. He likes the pricepoint of a 421 and I like the performance of a 241c

Cool, and thank you for pointing this out

OP: As for the Poulan saw thing, lighten up, I was just teasing you based on a picture you used to show the size of trees, not the "how many" you can cut in a day/3weeks. I know you fellers down there in MS are hard workers.
You've been beating us in football for several yrs running!
Thus, I am not in a pissin match! Sorry if it bothered someone.

**Sigh**.... I was trying to be light hearted..... I mean did I truly make you feel like I was sincere when I said:

and people must like talking with me more .

I was hoping that, the previous sentence would then add it's tone to

Could the wally world Poulan have held up to doing that from 7am until 5:30 pm for three weeks straight? .....

But like I said, I fail at conveying, that I it was my intention for those sentences to be read AS light hearted. And right on about not being in a pissing match, I honestly did not intend to make you feel that I was headed in that direction.



NOW, on to topics of more substance, or at least pertaining to saws.

You seem to think (and preach) that all ported saws are improvements over stock. Its not a myth and in many cases (that I have seen) porting most definitely can lower saw dependability and greatly reduce longevity. I have also run ported saws that were complete turds. I have seen ported saws lock up and fail rapidly.

As 7 pointed out, there are many levels of porting. What you are referring to here is muffler modification and exhaust and intake port modification. That may increase breathing of the 2-stroke and improve performance, or it may not. They can be done right, within the capacity of the saw to function properly, and they can also be done wrong when things are taken too far and produce a useless saw. After muffler and port mods, there are cut squish and pop up mods that are intended to raise compression. That is where the real power from porting comes from. However, doing that (using the standard method of removing material from the base of the jug or removing the gasket) will change port timing, and that leads to all kinds of issues if you do not do other modifications to compensate. You can make a turd really fast by screwing up mechanical timing. You can also push the compression too high, and put way too much stress on the bearings and rod, leading to premature (or even rapid) failure. I have seen saw crews send saws out to be "woods" ported, and over the long haul, they failed a lot faster than their stock counterpart saws.

Bottom line, it is a fine line to get a saw right when being ported, and the herd of turds out there that have also been ported. I think it is a myth that saws will turn into magic machines if they are ported, and that people here all need to get their saws ported to run with the "big boys". I would rather have a stock MS290 in the hands of a pro faller than a ported MM 562xp in the hands of a novice. Who would fall more trees and stay out of trouble?

I felt that this was a nice point to take into consideration, that I had yet to see expressed, or at least expressed in such a summarized yet detailed manner.

Go to each dealer and put each saw in some wood. Your decision would be a lot easier then having us confuse you with brand loyalty or projecting our wish list on you. You may find you base your decision solely on which dealer treats you better. And seems to care about you as a customer.

So are you suggesting that a dealer will allow a saw off the sales floor to be taken out back and tried out? I mean I know car dealerships allow test drives, but they have a whole section/division for washing the mud off the 4x4 you went mudding in..... I had honestly never thought to as a saw shop to do this.... if going out back of the shop and cutting some with a saw off the sales floor IS what you are suggesting, is this a common practice? Have you ever seen a shop that would not allow this?

 

[KG441c]

YEEEH gads, here I thought I had been blatant enough to be taken as being tongue-and-cheek. Apparently I was NOT successful.

I was NOT trying to get into a pissing match with
And for what it might add, I did not have any free time during the day to respond to all the reply's, so unfortunately I could not correct my mistake fast enough not to look like and even bigger butthead.




Cool, and thank you for pointing this out



**Sigh**.... I was trying to be light hearted..... I mean did I truly make you feel like I was sincere when I said:



I was hoping that, the previous sentence would then add it's tone to

But like I said, I fail at conveying, that I it was my intention for those sentences to be read AS light hearted. And right on about not being in a pissing match, I honestly did not intend to make you feel that I was headed in that direction.



NOW, on to topics of more substance, or at least pertaining to saws.





I felt that this was a nice point to take into consideration, that I had yet to see expressed, or at least expressed in such a summarized yet detailed manner.






So are you suggesting that a dealer will allow a saw off the sales floor to be taken out back and tried out? I mean I know car dealerships allow test drives, but they have a whole section/division for washing the mud off the 4x4 you went mudding in..... I had honestly never thought to as a saw shop to do this.... if going out back of the shop and cutting some with a saw off the sales floor IS what you are suggesting, is this a common practice? Have you ever seen a shop that would not allow this?

Pissin match wasnt for u Michael lol!! It was for myself and a few others. When u put a bunch of nutsacs, ego, and pride together it will always be a pissin match! Especially if their is a southern turd involved!!

 

[Michaelmj11]

NOW, it seams..... let me start over.

You two have, in recent posts, made arguments against Porting, or at least that Porting can seriously shorten Life Span.

It sounded like you two were in agreement that doing Muffler and Intake and Exhaust "ports"/adjustments, would extend the life of a saw, because it would help the saw breath better and thus hopefully stay cooler.

You guys somewhere also mentioned that the Muffler, Intake, and Exhaust "porting" would not add much power to a saw. So, IF you were going to have your saw ported, what would.... how would you instruct your mechanic in order to make certain.... make it clear that you did not want any porting that would adversely affect the longevity, but at the same time would improve the saws Power beyond what little gains were had from the Muffler, Intake, and Exhaust "porting"



You seamed to make the strongest counter arguments, so same question.
How would you instruct your mechanic in order to make certain.... make it clear that you did not want any porting that would adversely affect the longevity, but at the same time would improve the saws Power beyond what little gains were had from the Muffler, Intake, and Exhaust "porting"

 

[Michaelmj11]

Pissin match wasnt for u Michael lol!! It was for myself and a few others. When u put a bunch of nutsacs, ego, and pride together it will always be a pissin match! Especially if their is a southern turd involved!!

Naaah, it's the culture clash, southerners are more.... "prone" (i'm not saying that this ALWAYS happens, but simply TENDS towards that direction) to be passive aggressive, UNTIL you poke them too much and you then get a Face FULL of Southerner. What I expect from Northerners/Yanks is for them to tend to be more direct from the get go, and tell you. I Don't like You, but that doesn't mean I can't talk to you, just know that you push my buttons, so if you push them expect results.

So when a southerner has finally had enough, and the northerner is already getting his buttons pushed lightly by the southerner, and the southerner REALLY starts smashing buttons for all he's worth....... THAT's when things get violent =)

 

[KG441c]

Michael ill keep it short. Dont buy into the ******** about ported saws arent as good or wont last as long. All I can say is they must have the wrong porters in their saw. Get the saw u want and send to Mastermind, Brad Snelling, millermoddedsaws, Mdavlee, tlandrum, treemonkey and u will have a saw that will last along time amd perform better than stock no doubt

 

[Michaelmj11]

Michael ill keep it short. Dont buy into the ******** about factory saws r is good and last longer. All I can say is they must have the wrong porters in their saw. Get the saw u want and send to Mastermind, Brad Snelling, millermoddedsaws, tlandrum, treemonkey and u will have a saw that will last along time amd perform better than stock no doubt

Well, i think that they had a valid point that even if you sent a saw to those respected (mostly) modders, and told them to woods port it within an inch of it's life. That the longevity would quite possibly suffer. And shoot everyone has off days, so I can quite understand how Wind has seen a fair share of ported door stops.

It sounds like how burning CDs was when the first personal/Home CD burners came out, 95% of the time you got a CD, 5% of the time you got a coaster, a really pretty really expensive coaster, but a coaster none-the-less. (remember when blank CDs were really expensive?)

 

[KG441c]

Well, i think that they had a valid point that even if you sent a saw to those respected (mostly) modders, and told them to woods port it within an inch of it's life. That the longevity would quite possibly suffer. And shoot everyone has off days, so I can quite understand how Wind has seen a fair share of ported door stops.

It sounds like how burning CDs was when the first personal/Home CD burners came out, 95% of the time you got a CD, 5% of the time you got a coaster, a really pretty really expensive coaster, but a coaster none-the-less. (remember when blank CDs were really expensive?)

Totally untrue. Anyone of thoso guys I mentioned wont port your saw beyond a woodsport that will last a long time. They know what they r doing

 

[Michaelmj11]

Totally untrue. Anyone of thoso guys I mentioned wont port your saw beyond a woodsport that will last a long time. They know what they r doing

Cool, I stand corrected. Good to know.

 

[KG441c]

I will say this that porting will put alil more load on the bottomend because of the increased compression thus being the reason most all porters recommend 32:1 oil ratio